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<blockquote data-quote="SuckMikeHawk23" data-source="post: 128349" data-attributes="member: 540981">oops, sorry, when u said grant i thought u meant hill, but the i realized you were talking about horace.i never said a persons race has anything to do with anything, im just saying im chinese and im glad ming (a person of my nationality is going to make it to the all-star game, i then realized the short quote after that may have caused some confusion).two teams have been built around shaq, but with shaq in his prime the last 3 years, the lakers coulda easily won a title without kobe.&nbsp; put another player in there that is an allstar and they woulda won a title.&nbsp; if u take the penny of the orlando days and pair him up with the shaq of the last 3 years, theres an easy title for you right there.shaq may be just size, but take hakeem in his prime and put him up against shaq in his prime, shaq will still dominate him.&nbsp; but if you wanna talk about a better overall player, then theres no doubt its hakeem.&nbsp; but athleticism doesnt win championships, its dominance that wins.&nbsp; jordan dominated his opponents, he won 6 titles... shaq dominates oponents, he won 3.&nbsp; hakeem dominated in his prime, thats why he got his 2.and about pippen being one of the nbas 50 greatest players.... i find that REALLY hard to believe... i think pippen is overrated, he&#039;s a good player, really good actually, but not one of the best...&nbsp; he was good in chicago because of MJ, but to put pippen on that list is just absurd..... his defense is good, but he just straight up blows on offense, always has, always will.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SuckMikeHawk23, post: 128349, member: 540981"] oops, sorry, when u said grant i thought u meant hill, but the i realized you were talking about horace. i never said a persons race has anything to do with anything, im just saying im chinese and im glad ming (a person of my nationality is going to make it to the all-star game, i then realized the short quote after that may have caused some confusion). two teams have been built around shaq, but with shaq in his prime the last 3 years, the lakers coulda easily won a title without kobe. put another player in there that is an allstar and they woulda won a title. if u take the penny of the orlando days and pair him up with the shaq of the last 3 years, theres an easy title for you right there. shaq may be just size, but take hakeem in his prime and put him up against shaq in his prime, shaq will still dominate him. but if you wanna talk about a better overall player, then theres no doubt its hakeem. but athleticism doesnt win championships, its dominance that wins. jordan dominated his opponents, he won 6 titles... shaq dominates oponents, he won 3. hakeem dominated in his prime, thats why he got his 2. and about pippen being one of the nbas 50 greatest players.... i find that REALLY hard to believe... i think pippen is overrated, he's a good player, really good actually, but not one of the best... he was good in chicago because of MJ, but to put pippen on that list is just absurd..... his defense is good, but he just straight up blows on offense, always has, always will. [/QUOTE]

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