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Time Alignment vs. Phase Shift
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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 7030855" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>Ive yet to encounter a mic based auto-EQ that did an adequate job of setting things correctly. At best, they get you in the ballpark. Ive not played with an MS8 though, Im told it does a significantly better job due to its dual mics.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you happen to own a center cockpit vehicle, whose interior was pretty much designed around speaker placement first and everything else second, with the speakers exactly equidistant from you (all of them), that is infinitely wide or is made of revolutionary sound absorbing materials (including no glass), then and only then might you not see a benefit from sound processing such as an EQ and/or TA.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You bring up a good point so far not mentioned here. When adjusting your EQ, always cut freqs, never boost. This means setting it backwards from how many people think they should proceed. The 'holes' in your sound become the benchmark, and all other freqs are cut down to it's level. This is because adjusting the EQ up from zero/neutral is the same things as the dreaded 'bass boost' feature we all hate. It boosts the signal at that freq, thereby making it quicker to clip at the amplifier.</p><p></p><p>If you aren't using well built kick panels for your front stage (mid and tweet there, midbass in door, ideally), then there's virtually no chance you have good staging/imaging to begin with (without processing). If you have your mids and/or tweets mounted to your doors, and you dont use processing, you dont have good S/I to begin with. When matallica's drum solo shifts from the left speaker to the right speaker, if people hear that (obvious) shift they think 'my sh<span style="color: black">i</span>t stages like a motherf<span style="color: black">u</span>cker' but the reality is that is not a good measure of staging.</p><p></p><p>Fine tuning is a relative term. IMO, unless you've built a serious, almost world-class SQ competition worthy system... and if you've done this you dont need me to explain whether or not you did it correctly... your setup needs more than 'fine tuning'. Most people, even most enthusiasts, simply tune for freq response and stereo separation/bias. Many people dont even understand what proper staging is, even many people who think they do. Not talking about you nate, or anyone else I quoted here... just a general statement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 7030855, member: 549629"] Ive yet to encounter a mic based auto-EQ that did an adequate job of setting things correctly. At best, they get you in the ballpark. Ive not played with an MS8 though, Im told it does a significantly better job due to its dual mics. If you happen to own a center cockpit vehicle, whose interior was pretty much designed around speaker placement first and everything else second, with the speakers exactly equidistant from you (all of them), that is infinitely wide or is made of revolutionary sound absorbing materials (including no glass), then and only then might you not see a benefit from sound processing such as an EQ and/or TA. You bring up a good point so far not mentioned here. When adjusting your EQ, always cut freqs, never boost. This means setting it backwards from how many people think they should proceed. The 'holes' in your sound become the benchmark, and all other freqs are cut down to it's level. This is because adjusting the EQ up from zero/neutral is the same things as the dreaded 'bass boost' feature we all hate. It boosts the signal at that freq, thereby making it quicker to clip at the amplifier. If you aren't using well built kick panels for your front stage (mid and tweet there, midbass in door, ideally), then there's virtually no chance you have good staging/imaging to begin with (without processing). If you have your mids and/or tweets mounted to your doors, and you dont use processing, you dont have good S/I to begin with. When matallica's drum solo shifts from the left speaker to the right speaker, if people hear that (obvious) shift they think 'my sh[COLOR=black]i[/COLOR]t stages like a motherf[COLOR=black]u[/COLOR]cker' but the reality is that is not a good measure of staging. Fine tuning is a relative term. IMO, unless you've built a serious, almost world-class SQ competition worthy system... and if you've done this you dont need me to explain whether or not you did it correctly... your setup needs more than 'fine tuning'. Most people, even most enthusiasts, simply tune for freq response and stereo separation/bias. Many people dont even understand what proper staging is, even many people who think they do. Not talking about you nate, or anyone else I quoted here... just a general statement. [/QUOTE]
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