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<blockquote data-quote="mrray13" data-source="post: 1101828" data-attributes="member: 540942"><p>i did agree, and i mentioned it. why are u getting defensive? int hat size box, the rl-p didn't sound good to me...i'm not backing down from that statement. i never have and i never will.</p><p></p><p></p><p>i never said the rl-p was better. where did i say that? i said for what it's designed to do, it does a great job. u don't think a daily driver that has to be pressed to break a 140 isn't a good sub? kewl, that's ur opinion. i know others who think otherwise. and in other applications, it has broken 140 without the issues....</p><p></p><p>hell, maybe it's ur fabled tcab box it don't like? i dunno...i'm not there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>again, in ur opinion. not everyone needs to break a 140 to be happy. u do. kewl. the rl-p isn't u r sub..so what? but it does indeed handle more then it's rated power, just not in that enclosure/ setup. just about everybody knew that already.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>again, where am i calling bs? by saying that the box isn't the right box? again, i'm agreeing with you, and i'm standing by my statement. i've never made a claim about anything else EXCEPT that i don't feel that that is the correct box, especially with that power. so just where in the falk am i calling u out on anything?? again, why so defensive?</p><p></p><p>wait, i do call bs on ur bias...my bad...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>again, adn we both agree, wrong box, too much power. maybe the amp wasn't clipping, i never said it did. i simply stated that we all sq is subjective and relies heavily upon box, vehicle and power. adn if that power is clean or not. i never said that in ur tests u were clipping the amp.</p><p></p><p>i don't get it. i've not been harsh, nor rude, yet u get all defensive. why? i've not bad mouthed ur testing, in fact i've stated how similiar yours is to mine. yet, you feel the need to get defensive. i've not disputed the spl numbers. i've only disputed two things and one of those we agree one.</p><p></p><p>1) wrong box....we both know that. i'm not backing down from that, go find my thread on the rl-p vs xxx...i said it way back then too....</p><p></p><p>2) power handling...box dependent. go to the same thread, u'll see i stated that teh rl-p didn't like anything over 1200 in a ported box. adn even then, i'd only recommend that to ppl whe knew what they were doing.</p><p></p><p>3) ur bias...and this we'll argue over till no end. just like james is biased towards kicker and dd, u are to alpine. sq, u **** right i'm biased towards SS..spl? nope, that's why there's a solo x in my truck. IMO, teh rl-p is one of the cleanest, crispest and low playing subs one the market. easily competes in sq with the likes of the xxx and magd2, both of which i've heard, one of which i've owned, both of which costs more. matter of fact, teh prototype mag 15 is sitting on my floor as we speak.</p><p></p><p>so why the hostility? "so stand by what you say, dont make excuses for why it doesn't sound as good!" and "Whether you like it or not, the test was very subjective... you said it yourself... in a similar box the RL-P sounded bad. So live with it, in this box it sounds bad. "...live with what??? i've agreed with you on that..wtf more do you want from me?? i'm not jumping on the type r or s bandwagon, if that's what u want. why? because of my experience with type r's. sure, they weren't the new ones, and maybe they've changed. but until i hear them for myself....nope, ain't going to happen.</p><p></p><p>hell, i'm not even saying the type r can't sound better then the rl-p. all i am saying is that in the right box, the rl-p is one of the best soundign woofers u can buy, especially for the money. oh yeah..i did say that the rl-p is an sql woofer with a bias towards sq and the type r is a sql woofer with a bias towards spl...which is why it should be louder. does that mean the r won't sound as good as the rl-p? nope, depends upon enclosure...adn in your opinion, the type r (or s) might always sound better..who knows?</p><p></p><p>but slow down and chill out. read the posts completely and don't make generalizations about everybodies posts. i'm not here to flame u in anyway.</p><p></p><p>and quit being defensive....</p><p></p><p>wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mrray13, post: 1101828, member: 540942"] i did agree, and i mentioned it. why are u getting defensive? int hat size box, the rl-p didn't sound good to me...i'm not backing down from that statement. i never have and i never will. i never said the rl-p was better. where did i say that? i said for what it's designed to do, it does a great job. u don't think a daily driver that has to be pressed to break a 140 isn't a good sub? kewl, that's ur opinion. i know others who think otherwise. and in other applications, it has broken 140 without the issues.... hell, maybe it's ur fabled tcab box it don't like? i dunno...i'm not there. again, in ur opinion. not everyone needs to break a 140 to be happy. u do. kewl. the rl-p isn't u r sub..so what? but it does indeed handle more then it's rated power, just not in that enclosure/ setup. just about everybody knew that already. again, where am i calling bs? by saying that the box isn't the right box? again, i'm agreeing with you, and i'm standing by my statement. i've never made a claim about anything else EXCEPT that i don't feel that that is the correct box, especially with that power. so just where in the falk am i calling u out on anything?? again, why so defensive? wait, i do call bs on ur bias...my bad... again, adn we both agree, wrong box, too much power. maybe the amp wasn't clipping, i never said it did. i simply stated that we all sq is subjective and relies heavily upon box, vehicle and power. adn if that power is clean or not. i never said that in ur tests u were clipping the amp. i don't get it. i've not been harsh, nor rude, yet u get all defensive. why? i've not bad mouthed ur testing, in fact i've stated how similiar yours is to mine. yet, you feel the need to get defensive. i've not disputed the spl numbers. i've only disputed two things and one of those we agree one. 1) wrong box....we both know that. i'm not backing down from that, go find my thread on the rl-p vs xxx...i said it way back then too.... 2) power handling...box dependent. go to the same thread, u'll see i stated that teh rl-p didn't like anything over 1200 in a ported box. adn even then, i'd only recommend that to ppl whe knew what they were doing. 3) ur bias...and this we'll argue over till no end. just like james is biased towards kicker and dd, u are to alpine. sq, u **** right i'm biased towards SS..spl? nope, that's why there's a solo x in my truck. IMO, teh rl-p is one of the cleanest, crispest and low playing subs one the market. easily competes in sq with the likes of the xxx and magd2, both of which i've heard, one of which i've owned, both of which costs more. matter of fact, teh prototype mag 15 is sitting on my floor as we speak. so why the hostility? "so stand by what you say, dont make excuses for why it doesn't sound as good!" and "Whether you like it or not, the test was very subjective... you said it yourself... in a similar box the RL-P sounded bad. So live with it, in this box it sounds bad. "...live with what??? i've agreed with you on that..wtf more do you want from me?? i'm not jumping on the type r or s bandwagon, if that's what u want. why? because of my experience with type r's. sure, they weren't the new ones, and maybe they've changed. but until i hear them for myself....nope, ain't going to happen. hell, i'm not even saying the type r can't sound better then the rl-p. all i am saying is that in the right box, the rl-p is one of the best soundign woofers u can buy, especially for the money. oh yeah..i did say that the rl-p is an sql woofer with a bias towards sq and the type r is a sql woofer with a bias towards spl...which is why it should be louder. does that mean the r won't sound as good as the rl-p? nope, depends upon enclosure...adn in your opinion, the type r (or s) might always sound better..who knows? but slow down and chill out. read the posts completely and don't make generalizations about everybodies posts. i'm not here to flame u in anyway. and quit being defensive.... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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