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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8163761" data-attributes="member: 614752">col·lec·tiv·ism/kəˈlektəˌvizəm/noun: collectivism1. the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it.So, the minority &quot;imposing it&#039;s will&quot; on the majority is NOT collectivist.&nbsp; Furthermore, the constitution is designed specifically to protect the rights of the individual so that neither the mob, nor the &quot;elite&quot; minority can impose their will on anybody.&nbsp; Congress has almost dictatorial powers over those who live in DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and other territories and Federal owned land, but otherwise, if the constitution were being obeyed has virtually no authority to &quot;rule over&quot; you, or mandate that you do anything, provided you&#039;re not engaged in interstate commerce, counterfeiting money, or engaged in treason.&nbsp; READ IT!Let me reiterate.&nbsp; The actual scope of the constitution does NOT give congress the power to legislate morals, or behavior, and specifically enumerates rights which may never be infringed.&nbsp; &nbsp; If you are eluding to zoning ordinances and the like, those are controlled on a local level, and your beef may be with your town or county.I would also maintain, that many zoning laws or rules about what you can do with your property exist to protect your neighbors rights.&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you have a right to use your yard for a toilet?&nbsp;&nbsp; Possibly, but your neighbor certainly has the right to enjoy his land without your corn rockets sliding over onto his property when it rains.Furthermore, it is my belief that there is some chicanery going on with property &quot;ownership&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Since we have no money anymore (in the last 100 years) nobody can truly own anything.&nbsp; You do not own your land unless you have a &quot;patent&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; From what I understand you have far more rights and title to things you actually own.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ditto with a car for example.&nbsp; Do you have a &quot;TITLE&quot; or &quot;CERTIFICATE OF TITLE&quot;?&nbsp;&nbsp; If it&#039;s a &quot;CERTIFICATE&quot; who has the actual title?&nbsp; This is merely certifying that title exists.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is a whole other can of worms though, but the point is, if Congress was actually doing what they were constitutionally mandated to do (which seems to be the only things they aren&#039;t doing) we would have actual money and be able to truly own property.I&#039;ll tell you what happened.&nbsp; People got lazy and apathetic.&nbsp; They became ignorant and fat and went to sleep, forgetting the lessons of their forefathers and allowing many usurpations of power to go by without complaint.NOBODY has &quot;ruling authority&quot; over you unless you live in DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, or certain military bases.&nbsp;&nbsp; Please read the constitution.&nbsp; NOWHERE in there does it give ANYBODY authority to &quot;rule&quot; over a citizen of one of the several states.In a republican form of government the sovereign is the people and the members of government are &quot;PUBLIC SERVENTS&quot; not &quot;RULERS&quot;.Again, you are confusing a constitutional republic with democracy.&nbsp; Democracy is &quot;choose your tyrant&quot; or mob-ocracy/mob rule.Again, largely completely out of the bounds of the enumerated powers and largely grossly unconstitutional.&nbsp;&nbsp; Collectively we fell asleep at the wheel and allowed some outrageous things to happen.&nbsp;&nbsp; I would maintain that if the constitution were being followed and power (as it should) flowed from the local level up, much of this would never happen.People have NEVER been truly free in England.&nbsp;&nbsp; The Magna Carta put certain limits on the King&#039;s power, but at the end of the day, the king was the only sovereign.Again, READ the constitution.&nbsp;&nbsp; It gives virtually no power to exercise authority over an inhabitant of one of the several states.&nbsp; It has largely prevented collectivism for quite some time.Our founders knew this.&nbsp; &nbsp; The &quot;great American experiment&quot; by my estimation was to see if man was fit to govern themselves.&nbsp; We were given a very limited government guaranteed rights, and all the means by which to keep them..... and all the means by which to trade that away for &quot;security&quot; or a free lunch at the expense of our fellows.&nbsp; &nbsp; It is likely our founders, knowing human nature as they did, knew we were bound to fail.&nbsp; While we still have a few outs, it&#039;s pretty much all over but the shouting, and the NEW WORLD ORDER is right around the corner.&nbsp; Rest assured, you&#039;re not going to like it.How can you say this?&nbsp; READ READ READ READ READ!!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Instead of reading some Marxist&#039;s vomit, read the damned document and quote any parts where it takes liberty from anybody.&nbsp; NOWHERE in the document does it mandate anything to the people and through all of the document it tells government what it can not do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8163761, member: 614752"] col·lec·tiv·ism /kəˈlektəˌvizəm/ noun: collectivism 1. the practice or principle of giving a group priority over each individual in it. So, the minority "imposing it's will" on the majority is NOT collectivist. Furthermore, the constitution is designed specifically to protect the rights of the individual so that neither the mob, nor the "elite" minority can impose their will on anybody. Congress has almost dictatorial powers over those who live in DC, Puerto Rico, Guam, and other territories and Federal owned land, but otherwise, if the constitution were being obeyed has virtually no authority to "rule over" you, or mandate that you do anything, provided you're not engaged in interstate commerce, counterfeiting money, or engaged in treason. READ IT! Let me reiterate. The actual scope of the constitution does NOT give congress the power to legislate morals, or behavior, and specifically enumerates rights which may never be infringed. If you are eluding to zoning ordinances and the like, those are controlled on a local level, and your beef may be with your town or county. I would also maintain, that many zoning laws or rules about what you can do with your property exist to protect your neighbors rights. Do you have a right to use your yard for a toilet? Possibly, but your neighbor certainly has the right to enjoy his land without your corn rockets sliding over onto his property when it rains. Furthermore, it is my belief that there is some chicanery going on with property "ownership". Since we have no money anymore (in the last 100 years) nobody can truly own anything. You do not own your land unless you have a "patent". From what I understand you have far more rights and title to things you actually own. Ditto with a car for example. Do you have a "TITLE" or "CERTIFICATE OF TITLE"? If it's a "CERTIFICATE" who has the actual title? This is merely certifying that title exists. This is a whole other can of worms though, but the point is, if Congress was actually doing what they were constitutionally mandated to do (which seems to be the only things they aren't doing) we would have actual money and be able to truly own property. I'll tell you what happened. People got lazy and apathetic. They became ignorant and fat and went to sleep, forgetting the lessons of their forefathers and allowing many usurpations of power to go by without complaint. NOBODY has "ruling authority" over you unless you live in DC, Guam, Puerto Rico, or certain military bases. Please read the constitution. NOWHERE in there does it give ANYBODY authority to "rule" over a citizen of one of the several states. In a republican form of government the sovereign is the people and the members of government are "PUBLIC SERVENTS" not "RULERS". Again, you are confusing a constitutional republic with democracy. Democracy is "choose your tyrant" or mob-ocracy/mob rule. Again, largely completely out of the bounds of the enumerated powers and largely grossly unconstitutional. Collectively we fell asleep at the wheel and allowed some outrageous things to happen. I would maintain that if the constitution were being followed and power (as it should) flowed from the local level up, much of this would never happen. People have NEVER been truly free in England. The Magna Carta put certain limits on the King's power, but at the end of the day, the king was the only sovereign. Again, READ the constitution. It gives virtually no power to exercise authority over an inhabitant of one of the several states. It has largely prevented collectivism for quite some time. Our founders knew this. The "great American experiment" by my estimation was to see if man was fit to govern themselves. We were given a very limited government guaranteed rights, and all the means by which to keep them..... and all the means by which to trade that away for "security" or a free lunch at the expense of our fellows. It is likely our founders, knowing human nature as they did, knew we were bound to fail. While we still have a few outs, it's pretty much all over but the shouting, and the NEW WORLD ORDER is right around the corner. Rest assured, you're not going to like it. How can you say this? READ READ READ READ READ!!!!! Instead of reading some Marxist's vomit, read the damned document and quote any parts where it takes liberty from anybody. NOWHERE in the document does it mandate anything to the people and through all of the document it tells government what it can not do. [/QUOTE]

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