Super Bowl?

[Brock 5,000+ posts]

Oakland needs to beat Tampa Bay...IMO

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[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by Brock Oakland needs to beat Tampa Bay...IMO

is it just me or does oakland always make it seem like they are gonna lose? i mean, i just get this weird feeling when they go into big games that they are gonna lose...they NEED to win, yes

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Oakland has too many weapons...the best QB in the league, a top 5 running back, the 2 best wr's probably ever, and porter is on fire. And their defense is pretty **** good. They gonna roll through Tampa Bay.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Tampa, all the way. Johnson&Johnson

 

[Bumpin03 10+ year member]

Originally posted by ftgu Tampa, all the way. Johnson&Johnson

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[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

God I hate Keyshawn. He's so loud and full of himself, he's dropped out of the elite wr's IMO. The guy is afraid to take a hit, I've never seen such a ***** on the field before. And Warren Sapp is a big piece of ****. All he talks about is how he's gonna break the sack record every year, what'd he have, 4 this year? Wow, what a great ****ing waste of space he is. Until he wins a SB, he needs to shut the **** up.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ridered36 10+ year member]

oakland all the way. No one can stop their passing game when they are on top of their game.

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 God I hate Keyshawn. He's so loud and full of himself, he's dropped out of the elite wr's IMO. The guy is afraid to take a hit, I've never seen such a ***** on the field before. And Warren Sapp is a big piece of ****. All he talks about is how he's gonna break the sack record every year, what'd he have, 4 this year? Wow, what a great ****ing waste of space he is. Until he wins a SB, he needs to shut the **** up.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Ok, be a hater. They aren't my team, but they didn't get where they are by being a sshity team, and personaly I don't think that Oaklands defense will be able to stop them.

 

[TheGrimReaperKD 10+ year member]

Just put 50 on the Raiders.

Anybody know the odds?

 

[Moocow16 10+ year member]

i'm biased towards the raiders, but i've got a feeling the bucs are gunna win. i'm thinking something close, like 24 20.

 

[SuckMikeHawk23 10+ year member]

oakland has no running game whatsoever. they have a decent running back at best. sure he pulls off lots of long runs, but thats only cuz they keep the defense SOOOOO off balance making them think they're gonna pass every down, that he can get those every once in awhile, but if they do decide to actually run it against tampa (which they won't), tampa will stuff them every down. and u talk about gannon and his targets, but don't forget, this tampa defense is the best in the league. they got linebackers who can drop back in coverage (quarles, and brooks), and a safety (lynch) who doesnt allow ANY reciever to go up the middle of the field, and if someone does dare, they get the living hell knocked out of them. and their corners aren't too shabby either, you see that defensive performance barber showed against the eagles? i think the difference is gonna be brad johnson, if he can have a above par game, tampa wins, if he stinks it up, oakland takes it. i think brad will do well //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[ftgu 10+ year member]

Originally posted by SuckMikeHawk23 oakland has no running game whatsoever. they have a decent running back at best. sure he pulls off lots of long runs, but thats only cuz they keep the defense SOOOOO off balance making them think they're gonna pass every down, that he can get those every once in awhile, but if they do decide to actually run it against tampa (which they won't), tampa will stuff them every down. and u talk about gannon and his targets, but don't forget, this tampa defense is the best in the league. they got linebackers who can drop back in coverage (quarles, and brooks), and a safety (lynch) who doesnt allow ANY reciever to go up the middle of the field, and if someone does dare, they get the living hell knocked out of them. and their corners aren't too shabby either, you see that defensive performance barber showed against the eagles? i think the difference is gonna be brad johnson, if he can have a above par game, tampa wins, if he stinks it up, oakland takes it. i think brad will do well //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

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[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by SuckMikeHawk23 oakland has no running game whatsoever. they have a decent running back at best. sure he pulls off lots of long runs, but thats only cuz they keep the defense SOOOOO off balance making them think they're gonna pass every down, that he can get those every once in awhile, but if they do decide to actually run it against tampa (which they won't), tampa will stuff them every down. and u talk about gannon and his targets, but don't forget, this tampa defense is the best in the league. they got linebackers who can drop back in coverage (quarles, and brooks), and a safety (lynch) who doesnt allow ANY reciever to go up the middle of the field, and if someone does dare, they get the living hell knocked out of them. and their corners aren't too shabby either, you see that defensive performance barber showed against the eagles? i think the difference is gonna be brad johnson, if he can have a above par game, tampa wins, if he stinks it up, oakland takes it. i think brad will do well //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Wow, a decent running back? Charlie Garner...hmmmm...2000 total yards this year, that only makes him decent though right? Garner could put up 1500 rushing yards if asked to, but he doesn't have to. Like I said, Oakland has too many threats. They have 3 #1 receivers, and a 90 catch running back. The Bucs have Brad Johnson. Thats it. Keyshawn won't run over the middle, he's afraid to break a nail, and their 2 running backs, Mike Allstot, and Michael Pittman, aren't much of a running force. If Oaklands offense plays like it can, I think this game will be a blowout. You say that the Bucs have the best d in the league, but you do know who has the best offense? Thats right, the Raiders. And have you seen Oaklands defense lately?

 

[ridered36 10+ year member]

It will be a close game...#1 offense vs. the #1 defense.

I still pick Oakland on top.

 

[SuckMikeHawk23 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 Wow, a decent running back? Charlie Garner...hmmmm...2000 total yards this year, that only makes him decent though right? Garner could put up 1500 rushing yards if asked to, but he doesn't have to. Like I said, Oakland has too many threats. They have 3 #1 receivers, and a 90 catch running back. The Bucs have Brad Johnson. Thats it. Keyshawn won't run over the middle, he's afraid to break a nail, and their 2 running backs, Mike Allstot, and Michael Pittman, aren't much of a running force. If Oaklands offense plays like it can, I think this game will be a blowout. You say that the Bucs have the best d in the league, but you do know who has the best offense? Thats right, the Raiders. And have you seen Oaklands defense lately?

garner is just a decent running back when it comes to the running game. however, he is one of the better recieving backs in the league, but as a running back, he can't put up 1500, sorry. sure they have 3 #1 recievers, but have u seen tampas secondary and what there linebackers can do? and about keyshawn not going through the middle, i disagree. he was afraid to when he was on the jets, but the first thing i noticed about him when he arrived in tampa was that he was running through the middle more often, and he continues to do so every game. sorry, can't agree with you on that. alstott and pittman do blow though, but alstott can be a force if he would just stop finding defensive players to plow through. in my opinion, oaklands offense only put up the numbers they did because they played really weak teams in the beginning of the season. the titans blew then, and so did pittsburgh. don't get my words twisted though, its a great oakland team, but that tampa d is just too good to let that offense be a force. my opinion on who is gonna win the game still depends on brad johnson.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

Well lets just say that i know football coaches, and i will be at that game. Raiders got this game hands down.

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by SuckMikeHawk23 oakland has no running game whatsoever. they have a decent running back at best. sure he pulls off lots of long runs, but thats only cuz they keep the defense SOOOOO off balance making them think they're gonna pass every down, that he can get those every once in awhile, but if they do decide to actually run it against tampa (which they won't), tampa will stuff them every down.

you just contradicted yourself! you just said that the other team is off-balance cuz of the frequency of oaklands passing game, but that, in turn, makes their running effective! thats how they make their running game decent. they dont need to run, and they will be stupid to try it against TB

 

[Randy Savage 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by SuckMikeHawk23 garner is just a decent running back when it comes to the running game. however, he is one of the better recieving backs in the league, but as a running back, he can't put up 1500, sorry. sure they have 3 #1 recievers, but have u seen tampas secondary and what there linebackers can do? and about keyshawn not going through the middle, i disagree. he was afraid to when he was on the jets, but the first thing i noticed about him when he arrived in tampa was that he was running through the middle more often, and he continues to do so every game. sorry, can't agree with you on that. alstott and pittman do blow though, but alstott can be a force if he would just stop finding defensive players to plow through. in my opinion, oaklands offense only put up the numbers they did because they played really weak teams in the beginning of the season. the titans blew then, and so did pittsburgh. don't get my words twisted though, its a great oakland team, but that tampa d is just too good to let that offense be a force. my opinion on who is gonna win the game still depends on brad johnson.

Give charlie garner 300+ carries w/ that offense, and you got yourself a 1500 yard running back.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif Keyshawn goes down before he takes a hit, just watch him catch a ball and watch a d-back come at him...he will fall to the turf to avoid it. Should be an interesting game though, but if Oak plays smart and utilizes all their offensive weapons, I think its an easy win.

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

I don't think it's an easy win for any team, and I wouldn't be suprised to see either the Bucs or Raiders win. Raiders only ran one time in the first 3 quarters against Tennesse - they need to take the same approach to win this game, they simply won't be able to run the ball against the Bucs D-line. Rich Gannon needs to expose the Bucs cover 2 defense, which he should be able to do - he makes GREAT pump fakes, and hes more mobile than people think. But if the Bucs D line can get to Gannon on a consistent basis and force him to throw before he wants to, then it will become a very interesting game. Personally - I don't think the Bucs can keep up with Rice, Brown, Porter and Garner (great receiving RB) for 4 quarters. But then again, I didn't think they could handle the Eagles, so who knows.

That being said - I think if the Raiders score more than 27 or 30, the Bucs chances of winning become slim to none. I don't see their offense being able to put up that many points.......unless of course their defense can score off turnovers. The game is really a toss-up in my opinion.

If I was forced to pick one - I'd say Raiders just because this is their last chance to win a Super Bowl for some time due to their age and their salary cap next year. I think they have more of a will to win than the Bucs do.

EDIT: One more thing.....Bucs are going to go right at Charles Woodson....he was not able to keep up speed-wise with the Titans......that matchup is going to be huge for both teams

 

[SuckMikeHawk23 10+ year member]

Originally posted by nswartley you just contradicted yourself! you just said that the other team is off-balance cuz of the frequency of oaklands passing game, but that, in turn, makes their running effective! thats how they make their running game decent. they dont need to run, and they will be stupid to try it against TB

thats not really a contradiction in the sense that 1 running play that pulls off 15-20 yards at the beginning of a game generally doesnt make much of a difference. it can, but it generally doesnt.

gauntlet brought up a good point about making gannon throw earlier than he wants to, and i think that's been oaklands bread and butter all year. when tennessee was getting pressure on gannon in the first half (before those two fumbles), gannon had absolutely nothing going. same with the jets the week before (they had great pressure on the qb in the first half). oaklands line is one of the best in keeping defenders away from the quarterback, but tampa bay has got to be the best blitzing team in the nfl, and they come quick too. but then again, gannon makes really smart and quick decisions when he feels the pressure, so that might come into play as well. i'm still sticking to my brad johnson theory tho. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif