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<blockquote data-quote="T3mpest" data-source="post: 2399559" data-attributes="member: 560148">I&#039;ve only heard a few of the woofers I mentioned.&nbsp; I own an avalanche, used to own a brahma, and have heard a xxx one time in a shoddy install, sadly enough.&nbsp; Other than that I&#039;m going by popular opinion in terms of what is comarable.&nbsp; All the woofers mentioned have been known for high SQ and have a pretty long throw.&nbsp; Are they duplicates of a mag at a cheaper price, NO.&nbsp; However, that&#039;s not really what comparable means.&nbsp; Most would agree are all in the same league in terms of subbass reproduction, more than close enough install and overall system goals will be the determining factor on which to chose.&nbsp; He wanted something cheaper, that could still be considered SQL, I&#039;m sorry, but the mag and q aren&#039;t the only game in town, nor are they the cheapest (especialy the mag).As far as the 12 challenge, IT IS NOT A BE ALL END ALL TEST!&nbsp; Most of what dicatates a woofers F/R is the box you put it in,&nbsp; Try putting a q&nbsp; in ported box tuned to 55 hz and see what kind of low end you get out of it!&nbsp;&nbsp; As far as your comment towards me being biased, I mentioned lots of products that are known for being compenent subwoofers, lots of differnent brands.&nbsp; I fail to see how showing alternatives to the mag makes me biased in any way.&nbsp; I guess if by biased against the mag I didnt&#039; give the typical lemming forum goer answer of &quot;mags the best no comparison, save up, by 5!&quot;In terms of me being biased &quot;like before&quot;, I will say you still seem to still riding the forum boners quite hard and more than willing to jump down anyones throat who wont&#039; say &quot;mag FTW!!!!&quot; in any situation.&nbsp; Hows this next time I&#039;ll just pretend no other woofers outside of what FI and SI make exist, think that&#039;ll keep you quiet?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="T3mpest, post: 2399559, member: 560148"] I've only heard a few of the woofers I mentioned. I own an avalanche, used to own a brahma, and have heard a xxx one time in a shoddy install, sadly enough. Other than that I'm going by popular opinion in terms of what is comarable. All the woofers mentioned have been known for high SQ and have a pretty long throw. Are they duplicates of a mag at a cheaper price, NO. However, that's not really what comparable means. Most would agree are all in the same league in terms of subbass reproduction, more than close enough install and overall system goals will be the determining factor on which to chose. He wanted something cheaper, that could still be considered SQL, I'm sorry, but the mag and q aren't the only game in town, nor are they the cheapest (especialy the mag). As far as the 12 challenge, IT IS NOT A BE ALL END ALL TEST! Most of what dicatates a woofers F/R is the box you put it in, Try putting a q in ported box tuned to 55 hz and see what kind of low end you get out of it! As far as your comment towards me being biased, I mentioned lots of products that are known for being compenent subwoofers, lots of differnent brands. I fail to see how showing alternatives to the mag makes me biased in any way. I guess if by biased against the mag I didnt' give the typical lemming forum goer answer of "mags the best no comparison, save up, by 5!" In terms of me being biased "like before", I will say you still seem to still riding the forum boners quite hard and more than willing to jump down anyones throat who wont' say "mag FTW!!!!" in any situation. Hows this next time I'll just pretend no other woofers outside of what FI and SI make exist, think that'll keep you quiet? [/QUOTE]

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