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<blockquote data-quote="geolemon" data-source="post: 266941" data-attributes="member: 547749"><p>This is true with lots of cars, but it generally indicates a problem, or some asymmetry with how the setup is laid out (or at least behaving) in your car... of course, the mic (legal) is offset...</p><p>But at any rate, bear in mind that SPL stands for Sound <strong>Pressure</strong> Level.</p><p></p><p>In simplest terms, the subwoofers are moving in and out, creating a pressure differential between max excursion out compared to max excursion in... the air pressure inside the car is fluctuating.</p><p></p><p><strong>Illustration #1</strong></p><p></p><p>Picture a small length piece of PVC pipe that's capped at one end.</p><p></p><p>In the open end, you stick a plunger.</p><p></p><p>And heck, stick an air pressure gauge in that capped end, to measure air pressure inside the cylinder.</p><p></p><p>Now, as you move the plunger in and out, it's easy to see how you'd be compressing the air trapped in the closed end of the PVC pipe, and decompressing it as you pull the plunger back, right? You could easily read this on the gauge.</p><p></p><p>And if you drilled a 2" hole in the PVC pipe near that capped end, and moved the gauge in and out, you'd undoubtedly see less pressure fluctuation as you moved the plunger in and out, correct?</p><p></p><p><strong>Illustration #2</strong></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html" target="_blank">http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html</a></p><p></p><p><strong>The oversimplification</strong></p><p></p><p>Because of course there's more that goes into it, and both of my illustrations aren't perfect, but of sound theory (no pun intended).. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p><p></p><p>At any rate... something to consider:</p><p></p><p>Hard surfaces reflect and/or vibrate and resonate... the former can help keep sound energy in your interior where it will help the pressure situation, the latter will potentially dissipate some of that sound energy, as it will be vibrating panels rather than microphone consdensers... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p><p></p><p>Plush surfaces and objects (ie. seats, carpeting) are absorbtive, and can soak up that valuable sound energy, rather than pressurizing the air in your interior.</p><p></p><p>Now, if you consider all the possible paths that your sound energy can travel from your subs to the microphone location (or to where you are sitting, whichever you care about more //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif), and consider all the hard surfaces that they pass, and where the sound may reflect to, and consider all the soft surfaces that they pass, and the reflection-free zones that they pass, and consider all the interior panels that shake and vibrate, and how that both soaks up some of that energy and also creates harmonics of that tone...</p><p></p><p>There can even be cancellations, either between a couple different pathlengths, with respect to some point in your interior.. or between direct and reflected sound, coming off a window, say... even with waves as large as they are!</p><p></p><p>Obviously, it's complicated, and that the mic could just be sitting in a zone that's been a little "depressurized" relative to other spots in your interior, due to these factors.</p><p></p><p>Maybe moving your subs around is the answer.</p><p></p><p>Maybe stiffening some of those interior panels is the answer (or maybe that's just shifting the resonance //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif). Maybe removing the plush interior - or some part of it - is the best answer.</p><p></p><p>Or, if you aren't going to be that extreme..</p><p></p><p>Maybe it's just understanding that the soft spots and the hard spots are simply conspiring to never allow you to reach the full SPL potential of the equipment that's in your car...</p><p></p><p>And so you roll down a window to change the loud-zones and dimmed-zones in your interior, releaving some of those cancellation issues. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p><p></p><p>My point is simply that rolling down your window is a very far cry from truly increasing your SPL, particularly with respect to what you COULD do with the same equipment.</p><p></p><p>It's simply the easiest thing to do, and it's simply helping allieve one type of inherent acoustical degradation due to your interior... not helping to "raise your SPL".</p><p></p><p>To the contrary, in fact. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="geolemon, post: 266941, member: 547749"] This is true with lots of cars, but it generally indicates a problem, or some asymmetry with how the setup is laid out (or at least behaving) in your car... of course, the mic (legal) is offset... But at any rate, bear in mind that SPL stands for Sound [B]Pressure[/B] Level. In simplest terms, the subwoofers are moving in and out, creating a pressure differential between max excursion out compared to max excursion in... the air pressure inside the car is fluctuating. [B]Illustration #1[/B] Picture a small length piece of PVC pipe that's capped at one end. In the open end, you stick a plunger. And heck, stick an air pressure gauge in that capped end, to measure air pressure inside the cylinder. Now, as you move the plunger in and out, it's easy to see how you'd be compressing the air trapped in the closed end of the PVC pipe, and decompressing it as you pull the plunger back, right? You could easily read this on the gauge. And if you drilled a 2" hole in the PVC pipe near that capped end, and moved the gauge in and out, you'd undoubtedly see less pressure fluctuation as you moved the plunger in and out, correct? [B]Illustration #2[/B] [URL="http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html"]http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html[/URL] [B]The oversimplification[/B] Because of course there's more that goes into it, and both of my illustrations aren't perfect, but of sound theory (no pun intended).. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] At any rate... something to consider: Hard surfaces reflect and/or vibrate and resonate... the former can help keep sound energy in your interior where it will help the pressure situation, the latter will potentially dissipate some of that sound energy, as it will be vibrating panels rather than microphone consdensers... [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] Plush surfaces and objects (ie. seats, carpeting) are absorbtive, and can soak up that valuable sound energy, rather than pressurizing the air in your interior. Now, if you consider all the possible paths that your sound energy can travel from your subs to the microphone location (or to where you are sitting, whichever you care about more [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG]), and consider all the hard surfaces that they pass, and where the sound may reflect to, and consider all the soft surfaces that they pass, and the reflection-free zones that they pass, and consider all the interior panels that shake and vibrate, and how that both soaks up some of that energy and also creates harmonics of that tone... There can even be cancellations, either between a couple different pathlengths, with respect to some point in your interior.. or between direct and reflected sound, coming off a window, say... even with waves as large as they are! Obviously, it's complicated, and that the mic could just be sitting in a zone that's been a little "depressurized" relative to other spots in your interior, due to these factors. Maybe moving your subs around is the answer. Maybe stiffening some of those interior panels is the answer (or maybe that's just shifting the resonance [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG]). Maybe removing the plush interior - or some part of it - is the best answer. Or, if you aren't going to be that extreme.. Maybe it's just understanding that the soft spots and the hard spots are simply conspiring to never allow you to reach the full SPL potential of the equipment that's in your car... And so you roll down a window to change the loud-zones and dimmed-zones in your interior, releaving some of those cancellation issues. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] My point is simply that rolling down your window is a very far cry from truly increasing your SPL, particularly with respect to what you COULD do with the same equipment. It's simply the easiest thing to do, and it's simply helping allieve one type of inherent acoustical degradation due to your interior... not helping to "raise your SPL". To the contrary, in fact. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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