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<blockquote data-quote="Bassick" data-source="post: 8163653" data-attributes="member: 656783"><p>bbeljefe, thanx for the reply, you really put it in plain English. Don't get me wrong, I understand the surround sound effect, and how it double dips into a music track. What I mean by that is because time delays, refractions, reflections &amp; deflections are already recorded into the music and a surround sound equipment attempts to recreate what is already created. But, what I'm saying is when done the right way, placing speakers (without time delay equipment) all around you, gives you the sensation of being inside the music. Of course, keeping the front staging as accurate as possible. When front staging is at its optimum, adding to it to produce that sensation.</p><p></p><p>Let me explain, like I said above, "keeping the front staging as accurate as possible", then I would add <strong>mid-range</strong> drivers to the rear deck playing at a lower level than the front staging but with heavy emphasis on the lower <strong>mid-range</strong> only (300 Hz-1000 Hz). The rear deck drivers would only compliment the staging. Then going with some <strong>mid-bass</strong> drivers I would install, depending on vehicle, some 8" or 10" drivers into rear door, also playing at lower levels (complimenting the front staging as well as the rear deck) with emphasis on the <strong>mid-bass</strong>(75 Hz-300 Hz). And then let the sub-woofers do their job with the <strong>Sub-bass</strong> at a high level (30 Hz -75 Hz).</p><p></p><p>I think I was kinda of misleading when I first posted this thread, cause I did say, "the hell with front staging". What I meant was that, when I added more drivers to my system, The music sounded right to my ears, I can't actually put it into words.</p><p></p><p>What I'm saying is that I'm not trying to recreate the Home Theater affect. Plain and simple, car audio. Car audio is not the same as Home Theater. Not to sound as if I'm putting down HT. But for years and years and years, car audiophiles have been chasing after the HT affect (SQ anyway). Realistic, the inside of a car cannot compete, but will get close. I think and feel that car audiophiles should rethink the approach, instead of chasing the norm, create a norm. We should start taking advantage of the way a vehical's interior is made. Approach our setups in a different way. Look, I'm not saying load your car with as many drivers as you can, and that will give you the sensation of being inside the music. It will actually take some work to get this right. But we as car audiophiles wouldn't be if we didn't do the work ourselves. And, what I'm going with this is that everyone has a different ear, so there will be so many variants of this. But the end result is an inside the music sensation.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know this is going against the grain for some, but if you are reading this post, I say just try to grasp the gist of what I'm saying. Your car your rules.</p><p></p><p>And by the way, It just accord to me if you time delay your front drivers (remember the rear drivers are playing at a lower level) so that the rear drivers hit your ears at the same time as the front drivers, how would that sound, just a thought. But thats the type of stuff that we do as car audiophiles.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bassick, post: 8163653, member: 656783"] bbeljefe, thanx for the reply, you really put it in plain English. Don't get me wrong, I understand the surround sound effect, and how it double dips into a music track. What I mean by that is because time delays, refractions, reflections & deflections are already recorded into the music and a surround sound equipment attempts to recreate what is already created. But, what I'm saying is when done the right way, placing speakers (without time delay equipment) all around you, gives you the sensation of being inside the music. Of course, keeping the front staging as accurate as possible. When front staging is at its optimum, adding to it to produce that sensation. Let me explain, like I said above, "keeping the front staging as accurate as possible", then I would add [B]mid-range[/B] drivers to the rear deck playing at a lower level than the front staging but with heavy emphasis on the lower [B]mid-range[/B] only (300 Hz-1000 Hz). The rear deck drivers would only compliment the staging. Then going with some [B]mid-bass[/B] drivers I would install, depending on vehicle, some 8" or 10" drivers into rear door, also playing at lower levels (complimenting the front staging as well as the rear deck) with emphasis on the [B]mid-bass[/B](75 Hz-300 Hz). And then let the sub-woofers do their job with the [B]Sub-bass[/B] at a high level (30 Hz -75 Hz). I think I was kinda of misleading when I first posted this thread, cause I did say, "the hell with front staging". What I meant was that, when I added more drivers to my system, The music sounded right to my ears, I can't actually put it into words. What I'm saying is that I'm not trying to recreate the Home Theater affect. Plain and simple, car audio. Car audio is not the same as Home Theater. Not to sound as if I'm putting down HT. But for years and years and years, car audiophiles have been chasing after the HT affect (SQ anyway). Realistic, the inside of a car cannot compete, but will get close. I think and feel that car audiophiles should rethink the approach, instead of chasing the norm, create a norm. We should start taking advantage of the way a vehical's interior is made. Approach our setups in a different way. Look, I'm not saying load your car with as many drivers as you can, and that will give you the sensation of being inside the music. It will actually take some work to get this right. But we as car audiophiles wouldn't be if we didn't do the work ourselves. And, what I'm going with this is that everyone has a different ear, so there will be so many variants of this. But the end result is an inside the music sensation. Yeah, I know this is going against the grain for some, but if you are reading this post, I say just try to grasp the gist of what I'm saying. Your car your rules. And by the way, It just accord to me if you time delay your front drivers (remember the rear drivers are playing at a lower level) so that the rear drivers hit your ears at the same time as the front drivers, how would that sound, just a thought. But thats the type of stuff that we do as car audiophiles. [/QUOTE]
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