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<blockquote data-quote="2lefts" data-source="post: 5743181" data-attributes="member: 608538">I might be alone in this but here is&nbsp; a few thoughts:I never once heard the Suzuki Z400 or 450R get mentioned which is odd. I have the Z400 and love every inch of it. Their biggest drawback is the rare need for valve adjustment and that is only when ridden too hard for too long.I have also owned 2 strokers and several other 4 strokes.I ran a small but worked up and surprisingly fast Honda 300ex set for trail racing,A Kawasaki KFX400,which is powered by Suzuki,A Warrior,Blaster and just today hopped on a 660raptor with endless mods.My experience,personally: The Z400(stock for now) I own right now takes the cake. I can outrun Honda&#039;s 450R in mid/top end and even the Raptor I rode today wasn&#039;t enough to convince me I&#039;d rather have it(although it is a great ride)Sure,it was faster at top end but it took forever to wind it out and there just wasn&#039;t enough extra power for the extra 260+/- cc engine to make it worth it for a hard to trail ride machineTo get back on topic,any reputable 2 stroke is a fun ride so long as you don&#039;t plan on lugging it or constantly hitting steep climbs.For what amount of riding you submitted,I&#039;d say a 2 stroke or a Suzki400/Honda 400ex would get you the most for your money.BTW,getting a Suzuki 400will allow room for immense modification. They are moderately cheap to bulk up to and above the limits of any current 450R breeds out there...for cheaper than buying a stock 450R of nearly any model.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="2lefts, post: 5743181, member: 608538"] I might be alone in this but here is a few thoughts: I never once heard the Suzuki Z400 or 450R get mentioned which is odd. I have the Z400 and love every inch of it. Their biggest drawback is the rare need for valve adjustment and that is only when ridden too hard for too long. I have also owned 2 strokers and several other 4 strokes. I ran a small but worked up and surprisingly fast Honda 300ex set for trail racing, A Kawasaki KFX400,which is powered by Suzuki,A Warrior,Blaster and just today hopped on a 660raptor with endless mods. My experience,personally: The Z400(stock for now) I own right now takes the cake. I can outrun Honda's 450R in mid/top end and even the Raptor I rode today wasn't enough to convince me I'd rather have it(although it is a great ride) Sure,it was faster at top end but it took forever to wind it out and there just wasn't enough extra power for the extra 260+/- cc engine to make it worth it for a hard to trail ride machine To get back on topic,any reputable 2 stroke is a fun ride so long as you don't plan on lugging it or constantly hitting steep climbs. For what amount of riding you submitted,I'd say a 2 stroke or a Suzki400/Honda 400ex would get you the most for your money. BTW,getting a Suzuki 400will allow room for immense modification. They are moderately cheap to bulk up to and above the limits of any current 450R breeds out there...for cheaper than buying a stock 450R of nearly any model. [/QUOTE]

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