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Sealed Setup - JL 12w3v3 or Sundown SA12 or ?
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<blockquote data-quote="myn" data-source="post: 7705641" data-attributes="member: 545156"><p>I'm finally putting a system into my Bimmer and wanted some logical sound advice on some of my assumptions/decisions.</p><p></p><p>One of the main goals for this build is an almost stealth system, hiding away any components with the only thing in clear site being the subwoofers. I also need to make use of the trunk so large enclosures unfortunately are out. I would like a blend of SQ and SPL with a 50% emphasis on each. With that said here are my strict requirements.</p><p></p><p><strong>Requirements:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Car:</strong> BMW E92 Coupe (335i/328i)</p><p></p><p><strong>Enclosure Alignment</strong>: Sealed (Can't do ported //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif )</p><p></p><p><strong>Enclosure chamber max size:</strong> .93 cu feet per with a max of 2 chambers</p><p></p><p><strong>Amplifier Power:</strong> 1200 watts RMS (limited by space requirements)</p><p></p><p><strong>Subwoofer Driver Budget:</strong> $350</p><p></p><p>I can run dual subwoofers or a single but again limited to 1200 watts RMS. Can only run a 10 or a 12, 15 will not fit unfortunately //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif</p><p></p><p>I've seen a TON of hype around the Sundown products and had originally planned on running either 2 SA10's or 2 SA12s. I did some modelling in WinISD and it appears in a sealed alignment on 1200 watts they won't meet my SPL requirements. This is most definitely attributed to their extremely inefficient rating of 83.21db. They appear to perform about average in a sealed enclosure but not better then the 12w3's given my power constraints.</p><p></p><p>In contrast, I also modeled a JL 12w3v3 which subsequently is about 4db more sensitive (87.15db). So doing the math I would need double the power on the Sundowns to get the same amount of output that the JL 12w3's are achieving.</p><p></p><p>And for kicks I modeled the Sundown SA12 in a ported alignment shown in the graph in green</p><p></p><p>Sealed Sundown SA12 = <span style="color: darkorange">Orange</span></p><p></p><p>Sealed JL 12w3v3 = <span style="color: blue">Blue</span></p><p></p><p>Ported Sundown SA12 (tuned to 35hz) = <span style="color: darkgreen">green</span></p><p></p><p>The graph below models each subwoofer in their ideal recommended enclosure, each given 500 watts for sake of consistency.</p><p></p><p>I am looking forward to hearing peoples recommendations and opinions. I'm not locked down to 12's, 10's would work too. Just please keep in my my goals and recommendations in mind.</p><p></p><p>Thanks</p><p></p><p><img src="http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/mynym/2007%20BMW%20E92%20Sub%20Amp/JL-W3v3-SunDown-SA12Sealed.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="myn, post: 7705641, member: 545156"] I'm finally putting a system into my Bimmer and wanted some logical sound advice on some of my assumptions/decisions. One of the main goals for this build is an almost stealth system, hiding away any components with the only thing in clear site being the subwoofers. I also need to make use of the trunk so large enclosures unfortunately are out. I would like a blend of SQ and SPL with a 50% emphasis on each. With that said here are my strict requirements. [B]Requirements:[/B] [B]Car:[/B] BMW E92 Coupe (335i/328i) [B]Enclosure Alignment[/B]: Sealed (Can't do ported [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif[/IMG] ) [B]Enclosure chamber max size:[/B] .93 cu feet per with a max of 2 chambers [B]Amplifier Power:[/B] 1200 watts RMS (limited by space requirements) [B]Subwoofer Driver Budget:[/B] $350 I can run dual subwoofers or a single but again limited to 1200 watts RMS. Can only run a 10 or a 12, 15 will not fit unfortunately [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif[/IMG] I've seen a TON of hype around the Sundown products and had originally planned on running either 2 SA10's or 2 SA12s. I did some modelling in WinISD and it appears in a sealed alignment on 1200 watts they won't meet my SPL requirements. This is most definitely attributed to their extremely inefficient rating of 83.21db. They appear to perform about average in a sealed enclosure but not better then the 12w3's given my power constraints. In contrast, I also modeled a JL 12w3v3 which subsequently is about 4db more sensitive (87.15db). So doing the math I would need double the power on the Sundowns to get the same amount of output that the JL 12w3's are achieving. And for kicks I modeled the Sundown SA12 in a ported alignment shown in the graph in green Sealed Sundown SA12 = [COLOR=darkorange]Orange[/COLOR] Sealed JL 12w3v3 = [COLOR=blue]Blue[/COLOR] Ported Sundown SA12 (tuned to 35hz) = [COLOR=darkgreen]green[/COLOR] The graph below models each subwoofer in their ideal recommended enclosure, each given 500 watts for sake of consistency. I am looking forward to hearing peoples recommendations and opinions. I'm not locked down to 12's, 10's would work too. Just please keep in my my goals and recommendations in mind. Thanks [IMG]http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/mynym/2007%20BMW%20E92%20Sub%20Amp/JL-W3v3-SunDown-SA12Sealed.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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