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<blockquote data-quote="ronrico418" data-source="post: 4354162" data-attributes="member: 588858">The same exact subs NO but similar YES.......................VERY. Scott Atwell was 1/2 owner and the designer of RE subs at its conception until 4ish years ago. Now the same Scott owns, runs, and designs Fi/Ascendant Audio subs.&nbsp;  I have owned RE up until 3 months ago.&nbsp; Since then I have owned Fi Q&#039;s, SSD&#039;s, BTL, and Ascendant Audio Havoc 15s.RE hasn&#039;t had Scotts (again their original designer for which reason they became so very well known) mind and ideas put into them in the last 4ish years.&nbsp; I have followed Scott faithfully along with apparenty S.Meade to the Fi/AA trail.&nbsp; Scott does not sponsor anyone but instead passes the savings along to us, the consumers, by keeping the cost down.&nbsp; RE&#039;s are so much more expensive and do NOT have Scott&#039;s current technology which is now in Fi/AA subs.&nbsp; They are not the same and in many people&#039;s eyes are simply better at a lower cost.&nbsp; Nobody is switching from Fi/AA to RE! (that would be going backwards)&nbsp; but many have already made the switch the other way. (Sorry did I mention Steve Meade?)&nbsp;  The world record to my knowledge is approaching 160Db in BassRace.&nbsp; (The only sound pressure that matters IMO)&nbsp; This record is owned by Tommy McKinnie from Tampa FL.&nbsp; Some of you may know his truck as Ho Problems.&nbsp;&nbsp; I do believe Mr Ho Problems is&nbsp; runnin 24 RE 12&quot; SEs ran with 12 Incriminator Audio 20.1s which put at least 900rms per sub with at least 21,600rms on all.&nbsp; &nbsp; This is the recipe for owning the top record in all of what matters in SQPL.&nbsp; Have you heard Tommys truck?&nbsp; It is crystal clear and plays every note.&nbsp; Scott designs some good *** subs.&nbsp; And he designed those years ago.&nbsp; You wanna beet Tommy well grab you 24 12&quot; SSDs and put 1200 rms to each and you just might be the man!!!I also know Tommy is sponsored so for him to switch to Fi.........well .....he would have to spend alot of dough.&nbsp; HOWEVER make no doubt about it TOMMY IS still THE KING OF BASS!!!! Dammn Scott knows how to make a great sub.&nbsp; Good thing I know to follow him to Fi/AA Now the really funny thing is the power Tommy has is the same as if Steve added 1 more 18 and another RF40001 (actually Steve would have more)&nbsp; 5 18s will not keep up with 24 12s I don&#039;t car if the excursion was a foot.&nbsp; Nothing beets RAW cone area.&nbsp; If you could put a million watts on a BTL or XXX it&#039;s still not going to sound like 24-12s much less you couldn&#039;t possibly fit all the electrical needed.&nbsp; Would it do a # close?&nbsp; I don&#039;t have a clue but we need a weather instrument that records hurricane winds to measure the real difference.&nbsp; The turbulent wind in Tommys truck is incredible (did I mention he has 24 12s?)&nbsp; and if you did have a million watts to one sub that translates to running almost 100 12s at the same power Tommy has now.&nbsp; Point is cone area.&nbsp; unless your application only lets you fit one or two subs anyone would be better off running multiple subs off of as little as 250rms each than cramming a crap load to 1-2 subs.&nbsp; Oh and the sound would be much better to.&nbsp; Can you imagine the equivalent power of running 2 12&quot; super subs at 1 million watts total 500,000 rms each or 4,000 12&quot; subs (Ascendant Audio Assassins) at 250 rms per.&nbsp; I like to think in extremes.&nbsp; Yes this is all impractical but hopefully enlightening.&nbsp; You know what could beat 24 12s in cone area?&nbsp; 12 18s easily.&nbsp; Do you know you can get a Fi SSD 18 inch sub sent to your house with your specs for 239.00 each.&nbsp;&nbsp; Where can you beat that?&nbsp; An SSD will MOVE off of 600rms and can take 1200 rms in the right enclosure with BP option added.&nbsp; Personally I prefer the copper coil option which to me gives a really clean sound.&nbsp; 4 18s and a Sundown 3K.&nbsp; Thats my build and Scott even said he would help me out by making my subs with a lil lower QTS so they would play optimally in a bandpass.&nbsp; Fi vs RE?&nbsp; To me it is not a contest.&nbsp; All my #s are right above but I&#039;m not sure I have evrything about Tommys truck spot on.&nbsp; I&#039;ve looked at my pics from his truck and this is what I came up with.&nbsp; I know he also has a ton of batteries.&nbsp; He has broken like 45 windshields so I heard and I will include the vid of him breaking his windshield last month at SBN.&nbsp; You wanna be king?&nbsp; Now you know how to do it.&nbsp; Put as many SSDs from Fi as you can and give em hell and remember NOTHING beats cone area no matter what anybody tells you.<a href="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&amp;amp;current=MVI_0233.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0233.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a>Here is lil jons (not the rapper) also from Tampa 18 15s Acendant Audio Chaos w/ only 800 rms each wind machine.&nbsp; We need to start having barometer contests to read the air pressure.&nbsp; NOT SPL cuz you know whats loud 2 bums fightin&#039; over a garbage can (and sounds better than a lot of cars I&#039;ve heard)<a href="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&amp;amp;current=MVI_0167.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0167.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&amp;amp;current=MVI_0169.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0169.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a>Do you know what - The Fi SSD is very comparable to the RE SE lets take a look at the 12&quot; model.&nbsp; Check the sites to confirm my #sSSD12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; RE SE 12DUAL 1 | DUAL 2Fs: 26.3 Hz&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 25.1Qms:&nbsp; 4.71&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4.5Qes:&nbsp; .49&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .49Qts:&nbsp; .44&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; .44Sd:480cm^2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 480cm^2Vas:58.7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 72.9Spl:85.3dB 1W/1m /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 86.1Bl: 14.1 N/A&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17.7Xmax: 21mm&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 18Rms: 800W&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 600Sealed box: .8-1.6 cuft /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; .75-1.0Ported box: 1.8-2.5 cuft @ 33Hz/&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1.5@35hz / 2.0@33hzSub OD: 12.500”&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12.5Cut ID: 11.125”&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11Mounting depth: 6.500”&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6.5Displacement: 0.14cuft&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; /&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; .15Make of it what you will but if Scott switches companies again (He won&#039;t cuz he&#039;s doin it tha right way) I will follow him again.&nbsp;&nbsp; RE are still solid subs but If you stay with the company he left.......does that sound like the smart thing to do?&nbsp; I didn&#039;t and neither did S.Meade hehe. By the way in all my references to Steve I must say he does his thing and i love his site.&nbsp; Actually been a big motivator for me.&nbsp; I think he&#039;s an awesome installer and wish he wasn&#039;t so far away from FLA.&nbsp; Personally I do not like the way BTLs or XXXs sound to me but to each there own. So many people skip over the Fi Q cuz they wanna be LOUD and the Qs are SQ specific.&nbsp; Guys the Qs are more sub than I ever thought I could possibly own in my lifetime.&nbsp; Amazing SQ and incredible output (SPL)&nbsp; I&#039;ll end this now with 12 Q 12s just rippin a car apart. (Also from Tampa)&nbsp; nothing beats cone area. If any help is needed with Fi/Ascendant system applications or Bandpass designs these are my specialties.&nbsp; Just shoot me a PM.&nbsp; &nbsp; Joe FL&nbsp; (originally from Tampa where in 1991 i got sponsored after the reps heard my 418s off 250 rms each in a single reflex bandpass)&nbsp; I ended up with 3410s in a loaded horn.&nbsp; Nothing beats RAW cone area.&nbsp;&nbsp; Later//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/idea.gif.5acb6a39a9b92425414c316dda202bad.gif<a href="http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/pedromodean/?action=view&amp;amp;current=DSCF5205.flv" target="_blank"><img src="http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/pedromodean/th_DSCF5205.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></blockquote>

[QUOTE="ronrico418, post: 4354162, member: 588858"] [SIZE=18px][B]The same exact subs NO but similar YES.......................VERY.[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B] [/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B]Scott Atwell was 1/2 owner and the designer of RE subs at its conception until 4ish years ago.[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B] [/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=18px][B]Now the same Scott owns, runs, and designs Fi/Ascendant Audio subs. [/B][/SIZE] [B] [/B] [B]I have owned RE up until 3 months ago. Since then I have owned Fi Q's, SSD's, BTL, and Ascendant Audio Havoc 15s.[/B] [FONT=Georgia]RE hasn't had Scotts (again their original designer for which reason they became so very well known) mind and ideas put into them in the last 4ish years. I have followed Scott faithfully along with apparenty S.Meade to the Fi/AA trail. Scott does not sponsor anyone but instead passes the savings along to us, the consumers, by keeping the cost down. RE's are so much more expensive and do NOT have Scott's current technology which is now in Fi/AA subs. They are not the same and in many people's eyes are simply better at a lower cost. Nobody is switching from Fi/AA to RE! (that would be going backwards) but many have already made the switch the other way. (Sorry did I mention Steve Meade?) [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia] [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia]The world record to my knowledge is approaching 160Db in BassRace. (The only sound pressure that matters IMO) This record is owned by Tommy McKinnie from Tampa FL. Some of you may know his truck as Ho Problems. I do believe Mr Ho Problems is runnin 24 RE 12" SEs ran with 12 Incriminator Audio 20.1s which put at least 900rms per sub with at least 21,600rms on all. This is the recipe for owning the top record in all of what matters in SQPL. Have you heard Tommys truck? It is crystal clear and plays every note. Scott designs some good *** subs. And he designed those years ago. You wanna beet Tommy well grab you 24 12" SSDs and put 1200 rms to each and you just might be the man!!!I also know Tommy is sponsored so for him to switch to Fi.........well .....he would have to spend alot of dough. HOWEVER make no doubt about it TOMMY IS still THE KING OF BASS!!!! Dammn Scott knows how to make a great sub. Good thing I know to follow him to Fi/AA[/FONT] [FONT=Georgia] [/FONT] [FONT=Georgia]Now the really funny thing is the power Tommy has is the same as if Steve added 1 more 18 and another RF40001 (actually Steve would have more) 5 18s will not keep up with 24 12s I don't car if the excursion was a foot. Nothing beets RAW cone area. If you could put a million watts on a BTL or XXX it's still not going to sound like 24-12s much less you couldn't possibly fit all the electrical needed. Would it do a # close? I don't have a clue but we need a weather instrument that records hurricane winds to measure the real difference. The turbulent wind in Tommys truck is incredible (did I mention he has 24 12s?) and if you did have a million watts to one sub that translates to running almost 100 12s at the same power Tommy has now. Point is cone area. unless your application only lets you fit one or two subs anyone would be better off running multiple subs off of as little as 250rms each than cramming a crap load to 1-2 subs. Oh and the sound would be much better to. Can you imagine the equivalent power of running 2 12" super subs at 1 million watts total 500,000 rms each or 4,000 12" subs (Ascendant Audio Assassins) at 250 rms per. I like to think in extremes. Yes this is all impractical but hopefully enlightening. You know what could beat 24 12s in cone area? 12 18s easily. Do you know you can get a Fi SSD 18 inch sub sent to your house with your specs for 239.00 each. Where can you beat that? An SSD will MOVE off of 600rms and can take 1200 rms in the right enclosure with BP option added. Personally I prefer the copper coil option which to me gives a really clean sound. 4 18s and a Sundown 3K. Thats my build and Scott even said he would help me out by making my subs with a lil lower QTS so they would play optimally in a bandpass. Fi vs RE? To me it is not a contest. All my #s are right above but I'm not sure I have evrything about Tommys truck spot on. I've looked at my pics from his truck and this is what I came up with. I know he also has a ton of batteries. He has broken like 45 windshields so I heard and I will include the vid of him breaking his windshield last month at SBN. You wanna be king? Now you know how to do it. Put as many SSDs from Fi as you can and give em hell and remember NOTHING beats cone area no matter what anybody tells you.[/FONT] [URL="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&current=MVI_0233.flv"][IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0233.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Here is lil jons (not the rapper) also from Tampa 18 15s Acendant Audio Chaos w/ only 800 rms each wind machine. We need to start having barometer contests to read the air pressure. NOT SPL cuz you know whats loud 2 bums fightin' over a garbage can (and sounds better than a lot of cars I've heard) [URL="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&current=MVI_0167.flv"][IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0167.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [URL="http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/?action=view&current=MVI_0169.flv"][IMG]http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Ronrico418/th_MVI_0169.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Do you know what - The Fi SSD is very comparable to the RE SE lets take a look at the 12" model. Check the sites to confirm my #s SSD12 RE SE 12 DUAL 1 | DUAL 2 Fs: 26.3 Hz / 25.1 Qms: 4.71 / 4.5 Qes: .49 / .49 Qts: .44 / .44 Sd:480cm^2 / 480cm^2 Vas:58.7 / 72.9 Spl:85.3dB 1W/1m / 86.1 Bl: 14.1 N/A / 17.7 Xmax: 21mm / 18 Rms: 800W / 600 Sealed box: .8-1.6 cuft / .75-1.0 Ported box: 1.8-2.5 cuft @ 33Hz/ 1.5@35hz / 2.0@33hz Sub OD: 12.500” / 12.5 Cut ID: 11.125” / 11 Mounting depth: 6.500” / 6.5 Displacement: 0.14cuft / .15 [I]Make of it what you will but if Scott switches companies again (He won't cuz he's doin it tha right way) I will follow him again. RE are still solid subs but If you stay with the company he left.......does that sound like the smart thing to do? I didn't and neither did S.Meade hehe. By the way in all my references to Steve I must say he does his thing and i love his site. Actually been a big motivator for me. I think he's an awesome installer and wish he wasn't so far away from FLA. Personally I do not like the way BTLs or XXXs sound to me but to each there own.[/I] [I] [/I] [I]So many people skip over the Fi Q cuz they wanna be LOUD and the Qs are SQ specific. Guys the Qs are more sub than I ever thought I could possibly own in my lifetime. Amazing SQ and incredible output (SPL) I'll end this now with 12 Q 12s just rippin a car apart. (Also from Tampa) nothing beats cone area.[/I] [I] [/I] [I]If any help is needed with Fi/Ascendant system applications or Bandpass designs these are my specialties. Just shoot me a PM. Joe FL (originally from Tampa where in 1991 i got sponsored after the reps heard my 418s off 250 rms each in a single reflex bandpass) I ended up with 3410s in a loaded horn. Nothing beats RAW cone area. Later[/I] [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/idea.gif.5acb6a39a9b92425414c316dda202bad.gif[/IMG] [URL="http://s120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/pedromodean/?action=view&current=DSCF5205.flv"][IMG]http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/pedromodean/th_DSCF5205.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]

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