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<blockquote data-quote="wesl56" data-source="post: 1937266" data-attributes="member: 568915">dude i live closeby i woulda helped ya install them and run NEW wires... stock wires are made to be cheap, not quality... and sometimes they run thru factory amps and all sorts of weird stuff... they should have most definitly ran new wires all the way for those, now if they were just like jensen speakers okay, but not those... thats just laziness... what shop was it??another &quot;justification&quot; i can think of is... what does a stock headunit put out to the speakers? i know some of the new fords have the fancy smancy &quot;mach&quot; stereos but since you said the wiring was so small im guessing it was just the base stock system? well anyways... i dont know for a fact, but just think if an aftermarket deck only puts out about 15~20 watts RMS, what do you think a stock deck puts out? well its gotta be less than that and do you really think ford is gonna use bigger wire than it has to? hell no they use the smallest wire they can get away with to save money... why do you think doing the &quot;big 3&quot; upgrade helps? cause the factory uses the cheapest/smallest wire they can get away with... so that wire is just barely made to handle (hell ill go with 50 just to overestimate) 50 watts MAX.... and you&#039;re sending them 100 watts RMS (was it rms? i dont think u said)... but anyways, you can see that stock wire is absolutely not acceptablethe shop/installer should know this so they&#039;re either just lazy and dont care about thier work or they&#039;re just plain ghetto</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wesl56, post: 1937266, member: 568915"] dude i live closeby i woulda helped ya install them and run NEW wires... stock wires are made to be cheap, not quality... and sometimes they run thru factory amps and all sorts of weird stuff... they should have most definitly ran new wires all the way for those, now if they were just like jensen speakers okay, but not those... thats just laziness... what shop was it?? another "justification" i can think of is... what does a stock headunit put out to the speakers? i know some of the new fords have the fancy smancy "mach" stereos but since you said the wiring was so small im guessing it was just the base stock system? well anyways... i dont know for a fact, but just think if an aftermarket deck only puts out about 15~20 watts RMS, what do you think a stock deck puts out? well its gotta be less than that and do you really think ford is gonna use bigger wire than it has to? hell no they use the smallest wire they can get away with to save money... why do you think doing the "big 3" upgrade helps? cause the factory uses the cheapest/smallest wire they can get away with... so that wire is just barely made to handle (hell ill go with 50 just to overestimate) 50 watts MAX.... and you're sending them 100 watts RMS (was it rms? i dont think u said)... but anyways, you can see that stock wire is absolutely not acceptable the shop/installer should know this so they're either just lazy and dont care about thier work or they're just plain ghetto [/QUOTE]

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