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<blockquote data-quote="CarAudioAddict" data-source="post: 177548" data-attributes="member: 545743"><p>1. Yes, rehhabilitation is needed to help turn these people into productive members of society</p><p></p><p>2. The programs have been in effect since the current prison system was instituted. Does the current rehab program work? NO</p><p></p><p>3. This is both yes and no.</p><p></p><p>4. NO NO NO NO. If it worked we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders</p><p></p><p>5. Right now, more than 2/3 of the people released from prison will be back before 1 year is out.</p><p></p><p>A few comments on the previous argument.</p><p></p><p>IN the real world, not everyone has the same oppertunities. The children of a family living on 5,000/year doesn't have the same oppertunities as the children of someone making 50,000/year. An unfortununate sideeffect of capitolism.</p><p></p><p>In prison, however, all criminals have access to the same education, rehabilition, etc. But how many of theese people know they need help, and even those that do know, do they realize when oppurtunity is knocking?</p><p></p><p>Thats another thing that should be taught to people in prison, is how to recognize oppertunity.</p><p></p><p>We live in a democratic-capitalist society (Both US and Canada), in which you have drastic diferences between the high and low ends of the ladder. People at the high end have power, control, and oppertunity(sp), while those at the low end are constantly fighting just to live. It is in no way fair (once you take ALL factors into consideration) especially with those who don't get off on the right foot.</p><p></p><p>People end up in prison because they made wrong choices in life (whether it be because of Society, or the person involved knowingly(sp) made the wrong choice, or other reason). What prison should do, is help the person recognize what choices they made in life that led them to where they are, and help them to correct these mistakes.</p><p></p><p>Now, some people just can't be helped, whether it be from a mental imbalance, physical problem, or whatever. These people should be isolated from society, but not treated as scum. They deserve a good life, but due to their "imperfections" are not able to earn one (although many people who live a good life never earned it).</p><p></p><p>There are many factors to take into consideration, many of which cannot be proven with facts and science, when trying to see why people become criminals (mental stability, physical condtion, genetics, IQ, upbringing, education, etc.). Many people just never had a chance to make it in society, should these people be treated as wortheless?</p><p></p><p>Earlier, someone mentioned that many repeat offenders keep getting areested because they have it better in prison. This is true. Where would you rather live, in a cardboard box with no heat, water, food, or even a bed - or rather in a warm, dry place with three square meals a day, sattelite TV, Game rooms, Weight lifting, and any labor that you do, you get paid for, minimum wage even. The **** stories are highly exaggerated, especially since you are allowed congugal(sp) visits, at least in Canada (one of my friends spent most of the 20 years in prison, and only ever had seen that happen once). So yeah they have it much better in prison than in society.</p><p></p><p>What prison should be is, a place where you get just barely enough to live, and an education to help turn you around. No beds, no entertainment, No weights, Just life, and edecation. That way it is much better in society (less repeat offenders), and those that commit crimes get the tools to help you get "on your feet" (The govt helped my friend get a job when he was released).</p><p></p><p>I think this is my longest post yet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CarAudioAddict, post: 177548, member: 545743"] 1. Yes, rehhabilitation is needed to help turn these people into productive members of society 2. The programs have been in effect since the current prison system was instituted. Does the current rehab program work? NO 3. This is both yes and no. 4. NO NO NO NO. If it worked we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders 5. Right now, more than 2/3 of the people released from prison will be back before 1 year is out. A few comments on the previous argument. IN the real world, not everyone has the same oppertunities. The children of a family living on 5,000/year doesn't have the same oppertunities as the children of someone making 50,000/year. An unfortununate sideeffect of capitolism. In prison, however, all criminals have access to the same education, rehabilition, etc. But how many of theese people know they need help, and even those that do know, do they realize when oppurtunity is knocking? Thats another thing that should be taught to people in prison, is how to recognize oppertunity. We live in a democratic-capitalist society (Both US and Canada), in which you have drastic diferences between the high and low ends of the ladder. People at the high end have power, control, and oppertunity(sp), while those at the low end are constantly fighting just to live. It is in no way fair (once you take ALL factors into consideration) especially with those who don't get off on the right foot. People end up in prison because they made wrong choices in life (whether it be because of Society, or the person involved knowingly(sp) made the wrong choice, or other reason). What prison should do, is help the person recognize what choices they made in life that led them to where they are, and help them to correct these mistakes. Now, some people just can't be helped, whether it be from a mental imbalance, physical problem, or whatever. These people should be isolated from society, but not treated as scum. They deserve a good life, but due to their "imperfections" are not able to earn one (although many people who live a good life never earned it). There are many factors to take into consideration, many of which cannot be proven with facts and science, when trying to see why people become criminals (mental stability, physical condtion, genetics, IQ, upbringing, education, etc.). Many people just never had a chance to make it in society, should these people be treated as wortheless? Earlier, someone mentioned that many repeat offenders keep getting areested because they have it better in prison. This is true. Where would you rather live, in a cardboard box with no heat, water, food, or even a bed - or rather in a warm, dry place with three square meals a day, sattelite TV, Game rooms, Weight lifting, and any labor that you do, you get paid for, minimum wage even. The **** stories are highly exaggerated, especially since you are allowed congugal(sp) visits, at least in Canada (one of my friends spent most of the 20 years in prison, and only ever had seen that happen once). So yeah they have it much better in prison than in society. What prison should be is, a place where you get just barely enough to live, and an education to help turn you around. No beds, no entertainment, No weights, Just life, and edecation. That way it is much better in society (less repeat offenders), and those that commit crimes get the tools to help you get "on your feet" (The govt helped my friend get a job when he was released). I think this is my longest post yet. [/QUOTE]
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