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<blockquote data-quote="LWW" data-source="post: 177136" data-attributes="member: 546831"><p>Savant my friend you agree with me and I don't think you even realize it. Your restitution was not being given a second chance. It was paying a penalty for what you had done and learning a lesson, and for that you should be commended. A "don't do that again" for either of us would not have helped.</p><p></p><p>Also your OPPORTUNITY to go active duty was just that...and gladly uou took it. Had you been handed for nothing an easy way out you would have likely ended up back. Maybe not but that is usually the case.</p><p></p><p>Also consider this. As a nation of the people by the people and for the people we have a system as imperfect as people are...however it is the best that has ever been found.</p><p></p><p>Where else could you, I, or anyone else speak out about our grievances with the gubmint, be they real or perceived, and not be incarcerated for improper thought? Well that would be here, Canada (oun natl clone), England (our natl father), Japan and Germany (our natl stepchildren) and that's about it man.</p><p></p><p>We live where opportunity does exist for everyone. We all have a chance. Some have it worse than others. Some better. Life ain't perfect, never was, and never will be. Is the violent criminal mind foreign to most? Sure so what? It's not an inner city thing. A country thing. A black thing. A white thing. It's a human thing. Everyone who values a pair of shoes more than a life started way before with much more petty wrongs.</p><p></p><p>Can the prison reform be back engineered to include school reform among other reforms? Sure...and these need to be handled as well.</p><p></p><p>The problem isn't money spent because we spend more than anybody. The problem is responsibility and the teaching of the same. Our society today ois so set on to$$ some money at any social problem and hope it goes away. Instead we need to get back to enforcing societal rules which lasted for centuries AND WORKED.</p><p></p><p>The thinking that every criminal is the victim of a fornicated childhood is what got us here. Adult discipline needs to be exercised when the brat first backtalks to a teacher or hits another kid. When we make excuses for the behavior until the 14 year old needlessly takes a life it is way too late.</p><p></p><p>By this time the victim is a victim. The criminal is a victim of being excused their whole life because they were told they were a victim. And society is a victim. We have kids drinking and cracking at age 8 because we tolerate it not because it is inevitable.</p><p></p><p>I doubt that I will post to this topic again as I feel my point(s) have been well made.</p><p></p><p>PEACE</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LWW, post: 177136, member: 546831"] Savant my friend you agree with me and I don't think you even realize it. Your restitution was not being given a second chance. It was paying a penalty for what you had done and learning a lesson, and for that you should be commended. A "don't do that again" for either of us would not have helped. Also your OPPORTUNITY to go active duty was just that...and gladly uou took it. Had you been handed for nothing an easy way out you would have likely ended up back. Maybe not but that is usually the case. Also consider this. As a nation of the people by the people and for the people we have a system as imperfect as people are...however it is the best that has ever been found. Where else could you, I, or anyone else speak out about our grievances with the gubmint, be they real or perceived, and not be incarcerated for improper thought? Well that would be here, Canada (oun natl clone), England (our natl father), Japan and Germany (our natl stepchildren) and that's about it man. We live where opportunity does exist for everyone. We all have a chance. Some have it worse than others. Some better. Life ain't perfect, never was, and never will be. Is the violent criminal mind foreign to most? Sure so what? It's not an inner city thing. A country thing. A black thing. A white thing. It's a human thing. Everyone who values a pair of shoes more than a life started way before with much more petty wrongs. Can the prison reform be back engineered to include school reform among other reforms? Sure...and these need to be handled as well. The problem isn't money spent because we spend more than anybody. The problem is responsibility and the teaching of the same. Our society today ois so set on to$$ some money at any social problem and hope it goes away. Instead we need to get back to enforcing societal rules which lasted for centuries AND WORKED. The thinking that every criminal is the victim of a fornicated childhood is what got us here. Adult discipline needs to be exercised when the brat first backtalks to a teacher or hits another kid. When we make excuses for the behavior until the 14 year old needlessly takes a life it is way too late. By this time the victim is a victim. The criminal is a victim of being excused their whole life because they were told they were a victim. And society is a victim. We have kids drinking and cracking at age 8 because we tolerate it not because it is inevitable. I doubt that I will post to this topic again as I feel my point(s) have been well made. PEACE [/QUOTE]
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