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<blockquote data-quote="LWW" data-source="post: 176628" data-attributes="member: 546831"><p>Hey I'm not going anywhere. This a great country. I love the ability for intellectual debate from all sides. It's just that to me, and I'm not pointing at any person or thing in general, I put far more credence in listening to someone has been there and done that than I do to any amount of books or TV.</p><p></p><p>I can honestly say that my success is due to my hard work and the opportunity which was provided to me. I can also honestly say that all of personal problems in life had my participation at some point. It is hard to look one's self in the mirror and say "I fukked up." I think that we can all agree to this if we look deep inside. Sure we all have bad influences upon our lives. Who doesn't? It's society's responsibility to provide those in need the tools to build themselves a better life...with that I agree 100%. It is that individual's responsibility to themselves, their family, and their nation to pick up those tools and go to work.</p><p></p><p>My conviction was a high misdemeanor and not a felony but where I was there was no easy time. It was also what we bargained the plea to.</p><p></p><p>One of the proudest days of my life was being deemed a rehabilitated citizen. Now have I never broken the law since? Of course not. I am not a saint nor have I ever met one. I ca say that my few trangressions were ones of being a frail human being and not one of wanting to benefit myself whether I harmed another or not.</p><p></p><p>As to me personally I can say that a great society was handed down to my/our generations. It was paid for with the blood, sweat, and tears of our predecessors. Those who built it to this point never for the most part got to witness our great society or participate in it's riches. I only hope that when I am gone I have added something to the collective rather than only taking. In my youth I took advantage of this and squandered it. Today I see it differently.</p><p></p><p>I have probably talked more openly about this publicly here than I ever have to a group before. Now enough about that.</p><p></p><p>IMHO the best chance at reforming prison is first to stop making it a revolving door system. People need to be told that they fornicated themselves and not some nebulous "them". People need to be told that society has a place for those who learn a lesson and a foot in the arse for those who don't. Plain and simple.</p><p></p><p>Telling a kid that they get a break and 6 mths probation for stealing a purse may sound noble...but the 13 year old sees it as "man they bought line of shit...hehehe". Trust me. They were not done a service but a disservice.</p><p></p><p>Western countries have higher and higher crime rates because punishment is removed from the system and replaced with the theory that they can be re educated or rehabilitated and it just isn't so. Now the individual can do it but you can't do it to them. The only chance that society has to turn these people around is to make each offense carry a harder and harder blow. That with the PRIVELEGE of being allowed to begin education again, along with other bennies we all take for granted, when that person DEMONSTRATES AN ACTUAL CHANGE OF CHARACTER and not some BS "whahahaha I'm sorry, my momma didn't love me enough, my daddy was a drunk, ther's a rat in my basement, the dog ate my homework, and all the other kids do the same thing, but this time I'm really sorry".</p><p></p><p>PEACE</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LWW, post: 176628, member: 546831"] Hey I'm not going anywhere. This a great country. I love the ability for intellectual debate from all sides. It's just that to me, and I'm not pointing at any person or thing in general, I put far more credence in listening to someone has been there and done that than I do to any amount of books or TV. I can honestly say that my success is due to my hard work and the opportunity which was provided to me. I can also honestly say that all of personal problems in life had my participation at some point. It is hard to look one's self in the mirror and say "I fukked up." I think that we can all agree to this if we look deep inside. Sure we all have bad influences upon our lives. Who doesn't? It's society's responsibility to provide those in need the tools to build themselves a better life...with that I agree 100%. It is that individual's responsibility to themselves, their family, and their nation to pick up those tools and go to work. My conviction was a high misdemeanor and not a felony but where I was there was no easy time. It was also what we bargained the plea to. One of the proudest days of my life was being deemed a rehabilitated citizen. Now have I never broken the law since? Of course not. I am not a saint nor have I ever met one. I ca say that my few trangressions were ones of being a frail human being and not one of wanting to benefit myself whether I harmed another or not. As to me personally I can say that a great society was handed down to my/our generations. It was paid for with the blood, sweat, and tears of our predecessors. Those who built it to this point never for the most part got to witness our great society or participate in it's riches. I only hope that when I am gone I have added something to the collective rather than only taking. In my youth I took advantage of this and squandered it. Today I see it differently. I have probably talked more openly about this publicly here than I ever have to a group before. Now enough about that. IMHO the best chance at reforming prison is first to stop making it a revolving door system. People need to be told that they fornicated themselves and not some nebulous "them". People need to be told that society has a place for those who learn a lesson and a foot in the arse for those who don't. Plain and simple. Telling a kid that they get a break and 6 mths probation for stealing a purse may sound noble...but the 13 year old sees it as "man they bought line of shit...hehehe". Trust me. They were not done a service but a disservice. Western countries have higher and higher crime rates because punishment is removed from the system and replaced with the theory that they can be re educated or rehabilitated and it just isn't so. Now the individual can do it but you can't do it to them. The only chance that society has to turn these people around is to make each offense carry a harder and harder blow. That with the PRIVELEGE of being allowed to begin education again, along with other bennies we all take for granted, when that person DEMONSTRATES AN ACTUAL CHANGE OF CHARACTER and not some BS "whahahaha I'm sorry, my momma didn't love me enough, my daddy was a drunk, ther's a rat in my basement, the dog ate my homework, and all the other kids do the same thing, but this time I'm really sorry". PEACE [/QUOTE]
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