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<blockquote data-quote="Savant" data-source="post: 175674" data-attributes="member: 546108"><p>Problem there is, 'fixing' yourself isn't something most people are even aware that needs to be done.. 'knowing is 1/2 the battle' is very true.. If you don't know you have a problem you can't fix it.. Again, people in the 'culture of poverty' don't think they have a problem and a decent part of their problems aren't something they can fix..</p><p></p><p></p><p>And did you go to prison for that? I doubt it.. You 'could' have, but didn't.. given that 'you' made a 'mistake' and could have ended up in jail/prison, you still think prisons should be total hell on inmates? Would you want to be treated like that? Do you think you deserved to have your life screwed up over one mistake? Not all people in prison are 'nasty' people, some are people that made a mistake and got nailed hard for it.. Rapists, murders, child-molesters, etc are DIFFERENT.. they deserve to die (murders, I would argue, depends on who/what/why etc.. but rapists and child-molesters should die, their brains are just too ****ed up to let them live.. if you ask me)..</p><p></p><p>This tells me that you really don't know what you are talking about.. getting busted for pot is a joke.. Most places in this country could care less.. Hell, an ex-president of the US smoked pot, and the current president was a coke addict..</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm gonna venture a guess that you were in the 'middle class' bracket.. perhaps the lower-middle since you have friends that aren't getting anywhere in life.. Or you might have had circumstances that are a-typical for most middle class people (as did your friends).. I know people that I grew up with that were 'middle class' as well and aren't doing anything with their lives..</p><p></p><p>You made some 'mistakes' and did something to turn your life around.. great, good for you... I'm also going to venture a guess that you are at least a decently bright person.. most people aren't very bright.. that's not their fault, it's genetics (mostly.. I argue that genetics gives you potential and environment will either help you reach that potential or lets you fall to moron status..).. So, I propose that you are a lucky guy that you were able to notice that you actually had the power to change your life.. and I commend you for working at getting out of a rut.. Also, don't forget that you (if I'm reading this correctly) used the Army as a means for college.. the Army doesn't take just anyone (not anymore) so getting the GI-Bill isn't something that everyone can do.. which also means a lot of people can't go to college.. not to mention that there are a lot of people that just aren't smart enough to succeed in college.. Something like 50% of all incomming freshman fail out their first year? and those aren't the dirt-poor wouldbe criminals, those are middle america's children that are too stupid to make it in college but their parents and society say they should go so they can 'have a good life'....</p><p></p><p>I was on that road as well.. I ended up getting someone pregnant and decided it was time to do something so I could offer my child a better life than I had; Started college.. now I'm a Software Engineer.. Had my daughter's mother not gotten pregnant, there is a good chance that I would have lashed out against society out of anger (knowing what I know about our government and our country's politics and how the wealth of this country is distributed and knowing how powerless most people in this country are to do anything about it). She pretty much literaly saved my life.. most people that are on a bad road don't have anything that jolts them into looking at where they are and where they are going.. When you are moving along day to day, you don't stop to evaluate your life .. it's not human nature.. you have to have something that causes you to re-evaluate your situation and decide if you want to stay there or change that.. When you slowly get into a bad way of life it gets harder and harder to see that you can actually get out (keep in mind that not everyone can, we don't have the resources available.. some 95%+ of our society are trying to make do with</p><p></p><p>The whole point of 'rehabilitating' people in prison is that 'we' know they need fixing, they don't.. you show them they need to change AND offer them a way to do it.. locking them in a box for X years WILL NOT HELP them.. if you think it will, you are diluted..</p><p></p><p>What bothers me most about you, LWW.. is you seem to have opinions about thing but they are based on a very minimal amount of analising on your part.. Like saying 'drugs and alchohol dont force them selves on you'.. but they do, when you live in a ghetto and have people handing it to you at 8 years old and all you see around you is people drinking and doing drugs.. You seem to be looking at ALL people in this country as having come from a place that hasn't totally fukked up their life.. like all people have the same base and tools to start from, and say society doesn't have sectors that have people living in sub-human conditions.. You seem like a reasonably bright individual, you just need to examine more of the picture before you settle on an opinion.. if you ask me..</p><p></p><p>Course, some people just don't believe there are totally screwed up aspects of our country and society want to put all the blame on an individual so they can wipe their hands clean of any involvment or fault.. *shrug*</p><p></p><p>Anyway.. that's my take..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Savant, post: 175674, member: 546108"] Problem there is, 'fixing' yourself isn't something most people are even aware that needs to be done.. 'knowing is 1/2 the battle' is very true.. If you don't know you have a problem you can't fix it.. Again, people in the 'culture of poverty' don't think they have a problem and a decent part of their problems aren't something they can fix.. And did you go to prison for that? I doubt it.. You 'could' have, but didn't.. given that 'you' made a 'mistake' and could have ended up in jail/prison, you still think prisons should be total hell on inmates? Would you want to be treated like that? Do you think you deserved to have your life screwed up over one mistake? Not all people in prison are 'nasty' people, some are people that made a mistake and got nailed hard for it.. Rapists, murders, child-molesters, etc are DIFFERENT.. they deserve to die (murders, I would argue, depends on who/what/why etc.. but rapists and child-molesters should die, their brains are just too ****ed up to let them live.. if you ask me).. This tells me that you really don't know what you are talking about.. getting busted for pot is a joke.. Most places in this country could care less.. Hell, an ex-president of the US smoked pot, and the current president was a coke addict.. I'm gonna venture a guess that you were in the 'middle class' bracket.. perhaps the lower-middle since you have friends that aren't getting anywhere in life.. Or you might have had circumstances that are a-typical for most middle class people (as did your friends).. I know people that I grew up with that were 'middle class' as well and aren't doing anything with their lives.. You made some 'mistakes' and did something to turn your life around.. great, good for you... I'm also going to venture a guess that you are at least a decently bright person.. most people aren't very bright.. that's not their fault, it's genetics (mostly.. I argue that genetics gives you potential and environment will either help you reach that potential or lets you fall to moron status..).. So, I propose that you are a lucky guy that you were able to notice that you actually had the power to change your life.. and I commend you for working at getting out of a rut.. Also, don't forget that you (if I'm reading this correctly) used the Army as a means for college.. the Army doesn't take just anyone (not anymore) so getting the GI-Bill isn't something that everyone can do.. which also means a lot of people can't go to college.. not to mention that there are a lot of people that just aren't smart enough to succeed in college.. Something like 50% of all incomming freshman fail out their first year? and those aren't the dirt-poor wouldbe criminals, those are middle america's children that are too stupid to make it in college but their parents and society say they should go so they can 'have a good life'.... I was on that road as well.. I ended up getting someone pregnant and decided it was time to do something so I could offer my child a better life than I had; Started college.. now I'm a Software Engineer.. Had my daughter's mother not gotten pregnant, there is a good chance that I would have lashed out against society out of anger (knowing what I know about our government and our country's politics and how the wealth of this country is distributed and knowing how powerless most people in this country are to do anything about it). She pretty much literaly saved my life.. most people that are on a bad road don't have anything that jolts them into looking at where they are and where they are going.. When you are moving along day to day, you don't stop to evaluate your life .. it's not human nature.. you have to have something that causes you to re-evaluate your situation and decide if you want to stay there or change that.. When you slowly get into a bad way of life it gets harder and harder to see that you can actually get out (keep in mind that not everyone can, we don't have the resources available.. some 95%+ of our society are trying to make do with The whole point of 'rehabilitating' people in prison is that 'we' know they need fixing, they don't.. you show them they need to change AND offer them a way to do it.. locking them in a box for X years WILL NOT HELP them.. if you think it will, you are diluted.. What bothers me most about you, LWW.. is you seem to have opinions about thing but they are based on a very minimal amount of analising on your part.. Like saying 'drugs and alchohol dont force them selves on you'.. but they do, when you live in a ghetto and have people handing it to you at 8 years old and all you see around you is people drinking and doing drugs.. You seem to be looking at ALL people in this country as having come from a place that hasn't totally fukked up their life.. like all people have the same base and tools to start from, and say society doesn't have sectors that have people living in sub-human conditions.. You seem like a reasonably bright individual, you just need to examine more of the picture before you settle on an opinion.. if you ask me.. Course, some people just don't believe there are totally screwed up aspects of our country and society want to put all the blame on an individual so they can wipe their hands clean of any involvment or fault.. *shrug* Anyway.. that's my take.. [/QUOTE]
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