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<blockquote data-quote="Savant" data-source="post: 175673" data-attributes="member: 546108"><p>You live in a dream world.. While I agree that 'most' people in this country have a desk in a room with books (which in poorer neighborhoods might be decades old and barely useable) and a teacher (do you have ANY idea how EASY it is to be a teacher, or how many teachers are actaully pretty stupid? Then take into account that some (if not most) teachers in uber-poor schools are there because they **** as teachers.</p><p></p><p>The American Educational system is one of the worst in the developed countries.. and despite your pie in the sky outlook, there are a LOT of kids in the inner city that don't get an education, and to blame a 10 year old kid for not going to school.. to say they 'chose' not to go and 'they' are to blame is pretty shitty if you ask me..</p><p></p><p></p><p>First, read up on the Capitolistic Economic theory (which we don't follow fully or the 'capitol' would be available to anyone who wanted access to it and would profit (properly) for their efforts, but in this country 2% - 3% of all the people own 75%+ of all this country has as far as resources and means of production). That will let you see that we have to have a minimum of around 3% unemployment for our economy won't work properly.. Now, it's also true that the 'intent' is for that to be 'transient' unemployment, but the reality is, with so many of the jobs in our contry heading toward 'service' type jobs (cleaning toilets or working in McDonalds) in the Information Age, there just aren't enough jobs (even McDonald jobs) for everyone.. we are currently at 7% unemployment.. that means ~17,500,000 people don't have jobs at the moment (well, actually it's propbably a lot less than that since unemployment is based on 'available workers'.. and there are a lot of children in our 250 million people.. lets say 1/4 of our society is 'out of work age'.. old or young.. that's 13+ million workers out of work). A huge number of them have families that are now not making enough money.. That is't part of the 'transient' unemployment either since these people are unemployed (a lot of them) because of the currupt leaders of corperations who stole billions and billions of dollars from investors (now with most 'working' people trying to play the market for retirement, that's a lot of average folks that lost a lot of money) and sending their companies into financial caos (Enron and Worldcom come to mind as the two biggest).. those companies are laying off a lot of people that A) can't make enough money at 5 McDonalds jobs to cover their bills, and B) can't get a job since the companies that would be hiring them are dumping them left and right and there are no industries that can absorb them.. You also have a lot of tech companies folding or 'down sizing' to react to the fact that the economy is falling apart around us.. jobs (factory type) are moving out of the country which leave American's with no job.. what, they should leave the country and go to some 3rd world to work in a factory there?</p><p></p><p>Second.. Learn about the 'culture of poverty'.. If you had taken any Sociology courses in college you would have learned about that.. It's an outlook on life based on the shitty environment you live in (which is largley perpatrated on them by coperate america to try and make sure there is 'cheap' labor available for very unskilled jobs. And, it's a natural result of 'class systems' which we have in this country, which is very exagerated since MOST of the wealth in this country is owned/possed by VERY FEW people.. by comparison of the total population).. It's something that is almost impossible to get out of since that culture doesn't value the same things or in the same way that 'middle america' does.. And, it's a 'place' that our government (and people like you) don't care about and don't care to intervene in.. The school systems there, by the way, are the shittiest in the Developed world..</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, see the culture of poverty statement.. a lot of these 'people' are being victimized at very young ages (smoking pot and drinking at 8 years old). How can you hold a child accountable for a descision they made when they didn't have the ability to make a descision? For one, their brains aren't physically prepared to comprehend the possible outcomes or even what a bigger picture might look like, and secondly they don't have anywhere NEAR enough information to make a 'reasonable' descision.. Once you start down the path of a life based around drugs and alchohol you don't really come back (not when you start at 8 - 15 years old).. If you think you can, you are a moron. I'm pretty sure you can find a 'few examples' of people who have done it, but we are talking about millions of people who grow up like this and you will only find, at most, hundreds of examples.. less than 1/10 of 1%.. Given that 'society' lets this happen to a small percentage of their population, they ARE to blame (if you ask me).. If the billionares of this country would spend a little of their money on some of the people that help them make their billions instead of spending $25,000 for a pair of shoes, we could lessen the number of people who are pretty much gaurenteed to have no decent life.. (and don't go droning on about how the uber-rich 'deserve' what they have and shouldn't have to give any of it up.. that's bullshit, plain and simple.. no one human deserves to almost literaly piss away the life of another human.. those rich people are rich becasue they are taking from a lot of other, hard working and NOT rich people, most of whom aren't being hurt by it.. but there are some that are being hurt by it, and the uber-rich should take care of those they cause the hurt to.. If you think it's ok for one person to cause the life of another to be shitty/miserable/wasted then you don't really think anyone should be in prison.. or you are so self diluted that you think you deserve to be able to shit on people, but no one deserves to shit on you.. which makes you a target for retroactive birth control.. the world doesn't need more shitbags)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Since **** has nothing to do with ***, 90% of your argument goes out the widow.. Yes, people who commit **** are truley disturbed.. Same with child-molesters (which seems to include a very bothersome number of priests..).. Those people should be shot in the face, like I said before, the world doesn't need more shitbags.. This includes 'middle american' men (women too I suppose) who commite date-****.. who decide that since this girl got them horny that they 'deserve' to use that person for relief even when they say no.. Don't forget those that do girls that pass out at parties (though, by your earlier argument, those girls deserve to have someone viloate their bodies since they 'chose' to get so drunk as to pass out.. damm you're making me sick..) or drug girls so they can have *** with whom they will.. agian, that's a power trip thing and those kinds of egomaniacs should be shot if you ask me..</p><p></p><p></p><p>Apparently you've never actaully investigated that.. or got damm lucky if you were able to get your record expunged.. Normally expungment is reserved for crimes commited before the age of 18, then at 18 you can 'clean you record' up.. though, you are still on file with the federal government for life, expungment doesn't truly 'clean' your record. Getting a pardon is almost impossible (depending on who you have to deal with).. I've even heard of someone being told that the ONLY way they would be granted a pardon would be if they could prove that a company would hire them if and only if they had the pardon.. So much for trying to right a wrong, huh? 15 years later, ONE crime, restitution fully paid, sentance fully served.. can't get that taken care of despite the Public Defender NOT doing anything to help the guy up front? Felony charge where a FIRST (and only) offense should have been presented/charged as a misdemeanor (especially since the person in question ASSISTED the police WILLINGLY to bring all involved to justice).. But, a lazy and dispassionate lawyer let someone get fukked for life with a record all because of a dollar amount? .. it was only a 'felony' because the items stolen cost more than $500 (or what ever the small amount is).</p><p></p><p>(heh.. post 1,000.. and it's too long, the other 1/2 is 1001 //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif )</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Savant, post: 175673, member: 546108"] You live in a dream world.. While I agree that 'most' people in this country have a desk in a room with books (which in poorer neighborhoods might be decades old and barely useable) and a teacher (do you have ANY idea how EASY it is to be a teacher, or how many teachers are actaully pretty stupid? Then take into account that some (if not most) teachers in uber-poor schools are there because they **** as teachers. The American Educational system is one of the worst in the developed countries.. and despite your pie in the sky outlook, there are a LOT of kids in the inner city that don't get an education, and to blame a 10 year old kid for not going to school.. to say they 'chose' not to go and 'they' are to blame is pretty shitty if you ask me.. First, read up on the Capitolistic Economic theory (which we don't follow fully or the 'capitol' would be available to anyone who wanted access to it and would profit (properly) for their efforts, but in this country 2% - 3% of all the people own 75%+ of all this country has as far as resources and means of production). That will let you see that we have to have a minimum of around 3% unemployment for our economy won't work properly.. Now, it's also true that the 'intent' is for that to be 'transient' unemployment, but the reality is, with so many of the jobs in our contry heading toward 'service' type jobs (cleaning toilets or working in McDonalds) in the Information Age, there just aren't enough jobs (even McDonald jobs) for everyone.. we are currently at 7% unemployment.. that means ~17,500,000 people don't have jobs at the moment (well, actually it's propbably a lot less than that since unemployment is based on 'available workers'.. and there are a lot of children in our 250 million people.. lets say 1/4 of our society is 'out of work age'.. old or young.. that's 13+ million workers out of work). A huge number of them have families that are now not making enough money.. That is't part of the 'transient' unemployment either since these people are unemployed (a lot of them) because of the currupt leaders of corperations who stole billions and billions of dollars from investors (now with most 'working' people trying to play the market for retirement, that's a lot of average folks that lost a lot of money) and sending their companies into financial caos (Enron and Worldcom come to mind as the two biggest).. those companies are laying off a lot of people that A) can't make enough money at 5 McDonalds jobs to cover their bills, and B) can't get a job since the companies that would be hiring them are dumping them left and right and there are no industries that can absorb them.. You also have a lot of tech companies folding or 'down sizing' to react to the fact that the economy is falling apart around us.. jobs (factory type) are moving out of the country which leave American's with no job.. what, they should leave the country and go to some 3rd world to work in a factory there? Second.. Learn about the 'culture of poverty'.. If you had taken any Sociology courses in college you would have learned about that.. It's an outlook on life based on the shitty environment you live in (which is largley perpatrated on them by coperate america to try and make sure there is 'cheap' labor available for very unskilled jobs. And, it's a natural result of 'class systems' which we have in this country, which is very exagerated since MOST of the wealth in this country is owned/possed by VERY FEW people.. by comparison of the total population).. It's something that is almost impossible to get out of since that culture doesn't value the same things or in the same way that 'middle america' does.. And, it's a 'place' that our government (and people like you) don't care about and don't care to intervene in.. The school systems there, by the way, are the shittiest in the Developed world.. Again, see the culture of poverty statement.. a lot of these 'people' are being victimized at very young ages (smoking pot and drinking at 8 years old). How can you hold a child accountable for a descision they made when they didn't have the ability to make a descision? For one, their brains aren't physically prepared to comprehend the possible outcomes or even what a bigger picture might look like, and secondly they don't have anywhere NEAR enough information to make a 'reasonable' descision.. Once you start down the path of a life based around drugs and alchohol you don't really come back (not when you start at 8 - 15 years old).. If you think you can, you are a moron. I'm pretty sure you can find a 'few examples' of people who have done it, but we are talking about millions of people who grow up like this and you will only find, at most, hundreds of examples.. less than 1/10 of 1%.. Given that 'society' lets this happen to a small percentage of their population, they ARE to blame (if you ask me).. If the billionares of this country would spend a little of their money on some of the people that help them make their billions instead of spending $25,000 for a pair of shoes, we could lessen the number of people who are pretty much gaurenteed to have no decent life.. (and don't go droning on about how the uber-rich 'deserve' what they have and shouldn't have to give any of it up.. that's bullshit, plain and simple.. no one human deserves to almost literaly piss away the life of another human.. those rich people are rich becasue they are taking from a lot of other, hard working and NOT rich people, most of whom aren't being hurt by it.. but there are some that are being hurt by it, and the uber-rich should take care of those they cause the hurt to.. If you think it's ok for one person to cause the life of another to be shitty/miserable/wasted then you don't really think anyone should be in prison.. or you are so self diluted that you think you deserve to be able to shit on people, but no one deserves to shit on you.. which makes you a target for retroactive birth control.. the world doesn't need more shitbags) Since **** has nothing to do with ***, 90% of your argument goes out the widow.. Yes, people who commit **** are truley disturbed.. Same with child-molesters (which seems to include a very bothersome number of priests..).. Those people should be shot in the face, like I said before, the world doesn't need more shitbags.. This includes 'middle american' men (women too I suppose) who commite date-****.. who decide that since this girl got them horny that they 'deserve' to use that person for relief even when they say no.. Don't forget those that do girls that pass out at parties (though, by your earlier argument, those girls deserve to have someone viloate their bodies since they 'chose' to get so drunk as to pass out.. damm you're making me sick..) or drug girls so they can have *** with whom they will.. agian, that's a power trip thing and those kinds of egomaniacs should be shot if you ask me.. Apparently you've never actaully investigated that.. or got damm lucky if you were able to get your record expunged.. Normally expungment is reserved for crimes commited before the age of 18, then at 18 you can 'clean you record' up.. though, you are still on file with the federal government for life, expungment doesn't truly 'clean' your record. Getting a pardon is almost impossible (depending on who you have to deal with).. I've even heard of someone being told that the ONLY way they would be granted a pardon would be if they could prove that a company would hire them if and only if they had the pardon.. So much for trying to right a wrong, huh? 15 years later, ONE crime, restitution fully paid, sentance fully served.. can't get that taken care of despite the Public Defender NOT doing anything to help the guy up front? Felony charge where a FIRST (and only) offense should have been presented/charged as a misdemeanor (especially since the person in question ASSISTED the police WILLINGLY to bring all involved to justice).. But, a lazy and dispassionate lawyer let someone get fukked for life with a record all because of a dollar amount? .. it was only a 'felony' because the items stolen cost more than $500 (or what ever the small amount is). (heh.. post 1,000.. and it's too long, the other 1/2 is 1001 [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] ) [/QUOTE]
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