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<blockquote data-quote="Savant" data-source="post: 172479" data-attributes="member: 546108"><p>Dakota.. Not sure what your opinion is or if you are open to changing it.. but, I would suggest looking into several things to add to your paper..</p><p></p><p>First, I'd say look at this 'backward' to get some insights.. See how many ex-cons repeat the 'same' crime once they get out.. see how many get convicted for a different crime.. See how many 'get jobs' when they get out.. Try to find out what the most common convictions are, the sentences for that, and which ones are 'repeat' type crimes.. This will give you a feel for how 'life' is for these people once they are released.. Also, see if you can find out what percentage of jobs require you to notify them of ANY conviction and how many ask about 'felony' convictions.. I think you will be supprised to see that even McDonalds wants to know if you ever went to jail (and I'd say 75%+ of those places that ask will NOT hire you if you say yes)..</p><p></p><p>Then, look at the front end.. Try to see what age/income bracket/race ends up in prison most (I actually found something on the web that supprised me.. something like 70% of all prisioners are white male.. flys in the face of the typical thought that prisons are filled with blacks or minorities.. again, mostly a propaganda issue).. I'd say do a breakdown of 'which prison' versus 'income level'.. you will notice that 'rich' people go to country clubs (that your tax dollars are paying for) while 'poor' people go to nasty places.. Look at the family types/sizes as well (broken home or 'neuclear family'?).. few kids, or lots of kids? Were the parents abusive? not present? ..</p><p></p><p>Once you get a feel for the kind of life people have 'before' they get to prison (and normally it's not so great, that's why they commit crimes) and what kind of oportunities they have 'after' prison you can look at the middle.. the time 'in' prison..</p><p></p><p>See how many 'crimes' are commited in prisons.. beatings, ****, drugs, murder.. each time one of those occurs, someone is being victimized (well, not the drugs.. but).. The ENTIRE idea of prison is to make perpatrators pay for a crime, which means there was a victim that is being vindicated.. But, in prison, the victim is normally not vindicated.. How is that fair? (it's not.. and to say someone in prison for 2 years for possesion of pot deserves to be ***** is .. well.. if you can say that then we are putting the wrong people in prison).. Don't forget to take into account the guards.. most of which are bitter and on power trips.. and are pretty much operating under the radar of the law (unless there are serious infractions, but those can get covered up too). When you beat on the cage of a dog and taunt it, it becomes ferral (wild, mean, dangerous).. how is doing that to a man any better? You exepct him NOT to do what all animals do? I mean, they are already closer to dogs than the rest of us or (for viloent criminals) they wouldn't be in prison.. so you want to stimulate their primal instincts? And, most inmates are living in fear for their entire sentences.. they may not act like it (or we don't see it on TV or in the movies) but when you know someone can stick you and kill you and most likely walk away, you tend to be nervous..</p><p></p><p>Ok.. So.. Try sitting in your bedroom for an entire weekend.. only leaving to eat, pee, and poo (in prison, they do that in their bed-rooms). No TV, no stereo, no books, no nothing.. don't look at pictures or draw or anything.. just sit on your bed till you get stiff, then move around the room a bit, then sit again.. I'll bet you don't make 12 hours.. and if you actually make it for all 48, you will be so stressed out that it won't be funny.. with sensory depravation comes psychological problems.. our brains aren't desined to work in a vaccume..</p><p></p><p>So, you have hundreds of scared, mean, primal people sitting around all day with no stimulous.. slowly getting more and more disturbed.. the only time they get out is to eat (the minimalist argument).. You get to prison for selling pot.. 4 years.. walk into some strange place and listen to the bars closing and get a sinking feeling as you fully realize you aren't getting out for 4 years, no matter what.. you can't run from attackers (who might be your keepers) or run if there is a fire.. you have 'lost your rights', even to protect yourself.. Now, you get put in a cell with someone that you've never met, and have no idea why he's there.. He's been alone in that cell for a few years, no interaction with anyone but the passing guard and at meal time.. You can tell when you look at him that he's a bit squirely.. wild eyes, mussed hair, stinky, scruffy, and looking like he was just given a toy.. Personally, I'd wet my pants at that point..</p><p></p><p>Now you have people that have been locked up for years, with virutally NO interaction.. then you want to turn these semi-ferral people back on the streets? the same people that came in LESS dangerous/crappy/mean/evil/crazy than when they went in? Sweet, let the mayhem begin! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p>Add education (some implied HS.. others noted you can take college courses).. you give them a little more interaction, but does an adult really need 4 years of classes to get a GED? well, perhaps the types that end up in prison will.. but that would be a streatch I think.. You still have people that have little interaction (bad for the brain) and only a GED for education? Highschool kids will get jobs at McDonalds before these guys, EVERY time.. so, education (to a large degree), while not a bad idea, isn't going to do much in the long run..</p><p></p><p>Add 'weight rooms'.. they can work out (good and bad).. get bigger.. great, now they are a 'bigger' mean guy on the streats.. though, they are healthy and good for meaneal (sp) labor.. road crews for the county or construction companies.. etc.. And, the interaction/stimulus helps reduce our pesky psychosis problem.. and is pretty cheap overall.. buy some weights (say $5,000 for each prison) and you are good for 10 - 15 years.. pretty cheap if you ask me.. Certianly cheaper than paying someone to teach for a GED..</p><p></p><p>Some people don't work out (weight lift) for various reasons.. but they need physical activity as well (other then being ***** in the shower or beaten in the dining hall, etc).. how is a couple of basketball hoops and a dozen basketballs a bad thing? physical activity, more interaction to lessen pshchological stress, etc.. Hmm.. some people don't like working out OR playing basketball..</p><p></p><p>Enter TV.. It's NOT like they have a TV in each cell.. they have a 'community room' that has a TV in it (or two) and a LOT of the time, that stuff is donated by charitable organizations or churches.. Watching TV is a pretty good way to numb someone's mind.. and propaganda is a good way to sway people.. and it gives the brain a lot of input .. Now you have some things that can cross the spectrum of the criminals in the prison and keep them all 'entertained' so you don't make them stir-crazy then turn them loose..</p><p></p><p>Also keep in mind that all of these activites are monitered and the prisoners still have various times they are locked in their cells (depending on the prison I'm sure) so it's NOT like they are 'living at home' or something.. Many prisons have libraries as well.. computer rooms.. shops (auto/wood/etc).. Some prisons even 'make' things for the public (like liscense plates, etc)..</p><p></p><p>Now, I agree that there needs to be reforms in the prison systems.. Do I think 'prisoners' have too many privleges? In general I'd say no.. but that also depends on the prisoner.. One of the things they certianly don't have is a decent way to learn how to survive in society by behaving differently than the way that landed them in prison in the first place.. Just sticking someone in a cell for 4 years so they can 'think about what they have done' is actaully a pretty stupid thing to do.. I mean, you are talking about 'extreme grounding' here.. but these people are WAY beyond caring about what they did (in most cases).. if you don't try to show them that what they did isn't 'right' and have them believe that, AND show them how NOT to live like they used to, you are only detaining the criminal who will most likely go right back to where they left off..</p><p></p><p>So, no... they aren't 'over privelaged' in my opinion.. nor do I think we should 'remove' privleges from prisons arbitrarily.. that is reserved for prisoners who act up in prison.. if they want that privlege back, they have to behave.. also teaches them to work for what they want..</p><p></p><p>As for the death penalty.. I'm for it.. If you **** of kill someone you should die rather than waste my money for 40+ years.. leaving someone in a cage for that long is 'cruel and unusal punishment' (kinda like torture) if you ask me.. and since we aren't supposed to do that.. kill them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p>I also think the time should fit the crime.. I mean, if you get caught in a 'tech' crime (computer related stuff), you can spend 10+ years in prison, but your cell mate that came and went in 2 years beat some guy to near death and got a battery charge.. or the other cell mate you had that came and left in 4 years was selling pot near a school, if he wasn't near the school it would have been a 2 year bust.. You get the idea..</p><p></p><p>Yes prison is meant to '****' so you don't want to go there.. problem is, a lot of the people there come from worse places.. that's why they ended up in prison.. If you want them to get out and be decent members of society, you can't treat them like animals for X years and expect them to change for the better.. just isn't reasonable..</p><p></p><p>anyway //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif</p><p></p><p>That's my opinion //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Savant, post: 172479, member: 546108"] Dakota.. Not sure what your opinion is or if you are open to changing it.. but, I would suggest looking into several things to add to your paper.. First, I'd say look at this 'backward' to get some insights.. See how many ex-cons repeat the 'same' crime once they get out.. see how many get convicted for a different crime.. See how many 'get jobs' when they get out.. Try to find out what the most common convictions are, the sentences for that, and which ones are 'repeat' type crimes.. This will give you a feel for how 'life' is for these people once they are released.. Also, see if you can find out what percentage of jobs require you to notify them of ANY conviction and how many ask about 'felony' convictions.. I think you will be supprised to see that even McDonalds wants to know if you ever went to jail (and I'd say 75%+ of those places that ask will NOT hire you if you say yes).. Then, look at the front end.. Try to see what age/income bracket/race ends up in prison most (I actually found something on the web that supprised me.. something like 70% of all prisioners are white male.. flys in the face of the typical thought that prisons are filled with blacks or minorities.. again, mostly a propaganda issue).. I'd say do a breakdown of 'which prison' versus 'income level'.. you will notice that 'rich' people go to country clubs (that your tax dollars are paying for) while 'poor' people go to nasty places.. Look at the family types/sizes as well (broken home or 'neuclear family'?).. few kids, or lots of kids? Were the parents abusive? not present? .. Once you get a feel for the kind of life people have 'before' they get to prison (and normally it's not so great, that's why they commit crimes) and what kind of oportunities they have 'after' prison you can look at the middle.. the time 'in' prison.. See how many 'crimes' are commited in prisons.. beatings, ****, drugs, murder.. each time one of those occurs, someone is being victimized (well, not the drugs.. but).. The ENTIRE idea of prison is to make perpatrators pay for a crime, which means there was a victim that is being vindicated.. But, in prison, the victim is normally not vindicated.. How is that fair? (it's not.. and to say someone in prison for 2 years for possesion of pot deserves to be ***** is .. well.. if you can say that then we are putting the wrong people in prison).. Don't forget to take into account the guards.. most of which are bitter and on power trips.. and are pretty much operating under the radar of the law (unless there are serious infractions, but those can get covered up too). When you beat on the cage of a dog and taunt it, it becomes ferral (wild, mean, dangerous).. how is doing that to a man any better? You exepct him NOT to do what all animals do? I mean, they are already closer to dogs than the rest of us or (for viloent criminals) they wouldn't be in prison.. so you want to stimulate their primal instincts? And, most inmates are living in fear for their entire sentences.. they may not act like it (or we don't see it on TV or in the movies) but when you know someone can stick you and kill you and most likely walk away, you tend to be nervous.. Ok.. So.. Try sitting in your bedroom for an entire weekend.. only leaving to eat, pee, and poo (in prison, they do that in their bed-rooms). No TV, no stereo, no books, no nothing.. don't look at pictures or draw or anything.. just sit on your bed till you get stiff, then move around the room a bit, then sit again.. I'll bet you don't make 12 hours.. and if you actually make it for all 48, you will be so stressed out that it won't be funny.. with sensory depravation comes psychological problems.. our brains aren't desined to work in a vaccume.. So, you have hundreds of scared, mean, primal people sitting around all day with no stimulous.. slowly getting more and more disturbed.. the only time they get out is to eat (the minimalist argument).. You get to prison for selling pot.. 4 years.. walk into some strange place and listen to the bars closing and get a sinking feeling as you fully realize you aren't getting out for 4 years, no matter what.. you can't run from attackers (who might be your keepers) or run if there is a fire.. you have 'lost your rights', even to protect yourself.. Now, you get put in a cell with someone that you've never met, and have no idea why he's there.. He's been alone in that cell for a few years, no interaction with anyone but the passing guard and at meal time.. You can tell when you look at him that he's a bit squirely.. wild eyes, mussed hair, stinky, scruffy, and looking like he was just given a toy.. Personally, I'd wet my pants at that point.. Now you have people that have been locked up for years, with virutally NO interaction.. then you want to turn these semi-ferral people back on the streets? the same people that came in LESS dangerous/crappy/mean/evil/crazy than when they went in? Sweet, let the mayhem begin! [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] Add education (some implied HS.. others noted you can take college courses).. you give them a little more interaction, but does an adult really need 4 years of classes to get a GED? well, perhaps the types that end up in prison will.. but that would be a streatch I think.. You still have people that have little interaction (bad for the brain) and only a GED for education? Highschool kids will get jobs at McDonalds before these guys, EVERY time.. so, education (to a large degree), while not a bad idea, isn't going to do much in the long run.. Add 'weight rooms'.. they can work out (good and bad).. get bigger.. great, now they are a 'bigger' mean guy on the streats.. though, they are healthy and good for meaneal (sp) labor.. road crews for the county or construction companies.. etc.. And, the interaction/stimulus helps reduce our pesky psychosis problem.. and is pretty cheap overall.. buy some weights (say $5,000 for each prison) and you are good for 10 - 15 years.. pretty cheap if you ask me.. Certianly cheaper than paying someone to teach for a GED.. Some people don't work out (weight lift) for various reasons.. but they need physical activity as well (other then being ***** in the shower or beaten in the dining hall, etc).. how is a couple of basketball hoops and a dozen basketballs a bad thing? physical activity, more interaction to lessen pshchological stress, etc.. Hmm.. some people don't like working out OR playing basketball.. Enter TV.. It's NOT like they have a TV in each cell.. they have a 'community room' that has a TV in it (or two) and a LOT of the time, that stuff is donated by charitable organizations or churches.. Watching TV is a pretty good way to numb someone's mind.. and propaganda is a good way to sway people.. and it gives the brain a lot of input .. Now you have some things that can cross the spectrum of the criminals in the prison and keep them all 'entertained' so you don't make them stir-crazy then turn them loose.. Also keep in mind that all of these activites are monitered and the prisoners still have various times they are locked in their cells (depending on the prison I'm sure) so it's NOT like they are 'living at home' or something.. Many prisons have libraries as well.. computer rooms.. shops (auto/wood/etc).. Some prisons even 'make' things for the public (like liscense plates, etc).. Now, I agree that there needs to be reforms in the prison systems.. Do I think 'prisoners' have too many privleges? In general I'd say no.. but that also depends on the prisoner.. One of the things they certianly don't have is a decent way to learn how to survive in society by behaving differently than the way that landed them in prison in the first place.. Just sticking someone in a cell for 4 years so they can 'think about what they have done' is actaully a pretty stupid thing to do.. I mean, you are talking about 'extreme grounding' here.. but these people are WAY beyond caring about what they did (in most cases).. if you don't try to show them that what they did isn't 'right' and have them believe that, AND show them how NOT to live like they used to, you are only detaining the criminal who will most likely go right back to where they left off.. So, no... they aren't 'over privelaged' in my opinion.. nor do I think we should 'remove' privleges from prisons arbitrarily.. that is reserved for prisoners who act up in prison.. if they want that privlege back, they have to behave.. also teaches them to work for what they want.. As for the death penalty.. I'm for it.. If you **** of kill someone you should die rather than waste my money for 40+ years.. leaving someone in a cage for that long is 'cruel and unusal punishment' (kinda like torture) if you ask me.. and since we aren't supposed to do that.. kill them [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] I also think the time should fit the crime.. I mean, if you get caught in a 'tech' crime (computer related stuff), you can spend 10+ years in prison, but your cell mate that came and went in 2 years beat some guy to near death and got a battery charge.. or the other cell mate you had that came and left in 4 years was selling pot near a school, if he wasn't near the school it would have been a 2 year bust.. You get the idea.. Yes prison is meant to '****' so you don't want to go there.. problem is, a lot of the people there come from worse places.. that's why they ended up in prison.. If you want them to get out and be decent members of society, you can't treat them like animals for X years and expect them to change for the better.. just isn't reasonable.. anyway [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/IMG] That's my opinion [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] [/QUOTE]
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