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<blockquote data-quote="Buck" data-source="post: 8723646" data-attributes="member: 591582">I think it was mid 2018.&nbsp; I&#039;ve been designing since 2008-9, basically when I started driving.&nbsp; Box designing is just kind of funky.&nbsp; Most designers fade off.&nbsp; I think Shredder talked about this recently, it&#039;s just kind of difficult to maintain with the way it&#039;s done.&nbsp; i&#039;ll give props to Shredder, i think i remember when he sort of started doing boxes and he&#039;s really refined it and his info seems solid.&nbsp; like if i could design for a local shop or something like that, i probably would.&nbsp; Ram designs was a pretty good box designer too, he faded off too i think even before i did. idk if he&#039;s active or not, he and i would get info from each other every now and then, back in the day.You know like i undercharged for a long time with boxes.&nbsp; part of that was just in case i messed up a design when i first started, i&#039;d be like well, it was only $5.&nbsp; you know?&nbsp; but i got to the point where i was doing stupid loud walls and stuff.&nbsp; I mean those things take a lot of tedious back and forth work.&nbsp; I feel like some of these walls, I could charge like $150-200 for designing, but i just couldn&#039;t bring myself to do that.&nbsp; i genuinely love sound and audio and music, so there&#039;s a sort of brotherhood a designer and a competitor or just a car audio fan with a wild imagination.&nbsp;And often times the designer has way more knowledge than who they&#039;re helping.&nbsp; so if you really want people&#039;s systems to work the best, you really gotta talk to them.&nbsp; a good bit of the time, people don&#039;t even know what they want.&nbsp; it&#039;s not their fault or anything, but as a designer, i felt obligated to basically probe their personal tastes of music and style and make a box accordingly.&nbsp; so it just gets difficult sometimes.&nbsp; and me, with my personal health, i just couldn&#039;t be consistent. that was the biggest factor in me just chilling out with it.&nbsp; i may design some here and there in the future or if someone has a very serious build, but i&#039;d almost rather teach people how to do it themselves than actually do it right now.i&#039;m sure i&#039;d have an easier time if i actually bought real modeling software, where you can actually put the cabin as part of the enclosure, look at how it&#039;s position in the vehicle causes changes.&nbsp; that software is expensive though, i&#039;m pretty sure PWK designs made his own software to do his designs.&nbsp; He was a large inspiration to me, i was able to talk to him some when i was a teenager via email, that was really cool for a teenager.&nbsp; i guess pwk is still doing boxes and stuff, he&#039;s a pretty smart dude it seems.&nbsp; like i say, if i could design for locals and actually be socially involved in person, it would be a way different ball game for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Buck, post: 8723646, member: 591582"] I think it was mid 2018. I've been designing since 2008-9, basically when I started driving. Box designing is just kind of funky. Most designers fade off. I think Shredder talked about this recently, it's just kind of difficult to maintain with the way it's done. i'll give props to Shredder, i think i remember when he sort of started doing boxes and he's really refined it and his info seems solid. like if i could design for a local shop or something like that, i probably would. Ram designs was a pretty good box designer too, he faded off too i think even before i did. idk if he's active or not, he and i would get info from each other every now and then, back in the day. You know like i undercharged for a long time with boxes. part of that was just in case i messed up a design when i first started, i'd be like well, it was only $5. you know? but i got to the point where i was doing stupid loud walls and stuff. I mean those things take a lot of tedious back and forth work. I feel like some of these walls, I could charge like $150-200 for designing, but i just couldn't bring myself to do that. i genuinely love sound and audio and music, so there's a sort of brotherhood a designer and a competitor or just a car audio fan with a wild imagination. And often times the designer has way more knowledge than who they're helping. so if you really want people's systems to work the best, you really gotta talk to them. a good bit of the time, people don't even know what they want. it's not their fault or anything, but as a designer, i felt obligated to basically probe their personal tastes of music and style and make a box accordingly. so it just gets difficult sometimes. and me, with my personal health, i just couldn't be consistent. that was the biggest factor in me just chilling out with it. i may design some here and there in the future or if someone has a very serious build, but i'd almost rather teach people how to do it themselves than actually do it right now. i'm sure i'd have an easier time if i actually bought real modeling software, where you can actually put the cabin as part of the enclosure, look at how it's position in the vehicle causes changes. that software is expensive though, i'm pretty sure PWK designs made his own software to do his designs. He was a large inspiration to me, i was able to talk to him some when i was a teenager via email, that was really cool for a teenager. i guess pwk is still doing boxes and stuff, he's a pretty smart dude it seems. like i say, if i could design for locals and actually be socially involved in person, it would be a way different ball game for me. [/QUOTE]

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