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<blockquote data-quote="FJF" data-source="post: 6595801" data-attributes="member: 601907"><p>It's a mighty fine line in the sand you just drew. So the system wasn't yours after all. Right.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's very open-minded of you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There are a total of 2 labs in the US geared for audio DBTs. Both enlist listener training as a primary pat of the protocol. Without it, no test is valid, as per Jim Johnston - the foremost authority on audio testing in North America.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, you're describing your personal limitations and assigning similar constrains onto others. I've owned pro amps, and I still use one in my HT. That same amp in my main system easily shows its limitations. Just because you, personally, can't hear something means just that, not unlike my not hearing a shift in absolute phase. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Until you understand the difference between the two, you'll keep sounding like a zealot.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I guess further discussion is indeed pointless.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I could have asked a lot of questions, but I only needed one. Apparently, aside from telling folks what they can and cannot hear, you've decided extended the concept.</p><p></p><p>Here's what's interesting about your answer. You cited constraints I've heard before, as they're the standard DBT methodology. It can be found on the 'net with ease. However, and this is a BIG however, you failed to cite how those levels were set in your system. Given the detail in your replies, it doesn't seem like an oversight. It sure looks like you couldn't find and/or think of a plausible scenario.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I should have known.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What a fascinating diatribe, completely skipping the fact revolving around your assumption. That's very disingenuous and it points to a distinct lack of credibility. Your replies read like snippets from Google searches and I have a feeling you're full of shit.</p><p></p><p>Andrew left DAL more than 11 years ago, right about the time JD sold the firm. Your age is listed as 29, making you 17-18 when you were supposedly having these discussion with folks selling very exotic speakers with limited availability that sold for many thousands of dollars. Better, as a teenager, you we able to have technical discussions with a man whose engineering expertise is literally legendary, a man regarded as a visionary in the field. Yea, sure, that's believable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You don't say! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif</p><p></p><p>I could demo a 535 against a Bryston 4BST on SC-Vs and the difference is night and day. It's not subtle in the least. Obviously, you've never done this, but keep reading the specs.</p><p></p><p>Edit: on a side note, an Adcom 5300, 535's upgraded replacement, and a Bryston 4B ST were to be the subject of a DBT some years ago. JA from S'phile offered to conduct all the measurements, JJ from ATT Labs was setting up the protocol, and we were ready to rock. The system happened to be mine. Well, this never took place. It didn't happen, because the so-called (Internet) "scientists," including several major figures, wouldn't cough-up the money they were going to bet on the results. So much for faith.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I knew John, may he rest in peace. Please have the decency not to put words in his mouth.</p><p></p><p>I've done this long enough to know when someone has an answer for everything that reads like someone else's text. The fact that you choose not to acknowledge your own statements, in lieu of voicing an echo-like sentiment over and over, also points to a lack of personal fortitude. Your comments regarding the folks at DAL show a time line not easily explained, as well as the absolutely ludicrous claims evolving from the mess. IOW, I think you're full of crap including the imaginary record collection referenced on itunes. GMAFB!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FJF, post: 6595801, member: 601907"] It's a mighty fine line in the sand you just drew. So the system wasn't yours after all. Right. That's very open-minded of you. There are a total of 2 labs in the US geared for audio DBTs. Both enlist listener training as a primary pat of the protocol. Without it, no test is valid, as per Jim Johnston - the foremost authority on audio testing in North America. Again, you're describing your personal limitations and assigning similar constrains onto others. I've owned pro amps, and I still use one in my HT. That same amp in my main system easily shows its limitations. Just because you, personally, can't hear something means just that, not unlike my not hearing a shift in absolute phase. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Until you understand the difference between the two, you'll keep sounding like a zealot. I guess further discussion is indeed pointless. I could have asked a lot of questions, but I only needed one. Apparently, aside from telling folks what they can and cannot hear, you've decided extended the concept. Here's what's interesting about your answer. You cited constraints I've heard before, as they're the standard DBT methodology. It can be found on the 'net with ease. However, and this is a BIG however, you failed to cite how those levels were set in your system. Given the detail in your replies, it doesn't seem like an oversight. It sure looks like you couldn't find and/or think of a plausible scenario. I should have known. What a fascinating diatribe, completely skipping the fact revolving around your assumption. That's very disingenuous and it points to a distinct lack of credibility. Your replies read like snippets from Google searches and I have a feeling you're full of shit. Andrew left DAL more than 11 years ago, right about the time JD sold the firm. Your age is listed as 29, making you 17-18 when you were supposedly having these discussion with folks selling very exotic speakers with limited availability that sold for many thousands of dollars. Better, as a teenager, you we able to have technical discussions with a man whose engineering expertise is literally legendary, a man regarded as a visionary in the field. Yea, sure, that's believable. You don't say! [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif[/IMG] I could demo a 535 against a Bryston 4BST on SC-Vs and the difference is night and day. It's not subtle in the least. Obviously, you've never done this, but keep reading the specs. Edit: on a side note, an Adcom 5300, 535's upgraded replacement, and a Bryston 4B ST were to be the subject of a DBT some years ago. JA from S'phile offered to conduct all the measurements, JJ from ATT Labs was setting up the protocol, and we were ready to rock. The system happened to be mine. Well, this never took place. It didn't happen, because the so-called (Internet) "scientists," including several major figures, wouldn't cough-up the money they were going to bet on the results. So much for faith. I knew John, may he rest in peace. Please have the decency not to put words in his mouth. I've done this long enough to know when someone has an answer for everything that reads like someone else's text. The fact that you choose not to acknowledge your own statements, in lieu of voicing an echo-like sentiment over and over, also points to a lack of personal fortitude. Your comments regarding the folks at DAL show a time line not easily explained, as well as the absolutely ludicrous claims evolving from the mess. IOW, I think you're full of crap including the imaginary record collection referenced on itunes. GMAFB! [/QUOTE]
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