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<blockquote data-quote="sfall" data-source="post: 8574810" data-attributes="member: 673086"><p>"Rephased the mids and wow stunning</p><p></p><p>just trying to understand why"</p><p></p><p>There's no simple answer. Speakers can be out of phase in different ways, and by different amounts. You can even alter phase during the install and setup without realizing it. First, look at the 3 way component system. Looking at the specs will tell you phase information. Unless the xover points are at a slope of anything other than first order (6db), the speakers are designed to work out of phase. So, if your xover points are 2nd order (12db), 3rd order(18db), 4th order (24db), etc..., the drivers will start and stop at different times, by design. To further complicate matters, any type of equalization or xover adjustments made by any other outside components (head unit, eq, xover,,,), will also alter phase for any frequencies changed by them. So, for example, when you set the system up, you could have changed a 2nd order xover point to a 3rd or 4th order point, and not know it.</p><p></p><p>Someone above mentioned doing a pop test with a battery to check absolute phase. That's good for checking what terminals are + and -. However, when you install the speaker and the signal travels through all the different components, phase will still be effected by these outside factors, and can change it.</p><p></p><p>"so i'm of the school of thought all speakers need to move in a forward direction</p><p></p><p>To me this was backed up by what i found that as the mid was marked up correctly the crossover was marked up correctly but the mid was out of phase with the tweeter and mid bass driver"</p><p></p><p>Given the above, that really didn't happen. Unless you used absolutely no signal processing, digital or analog, and had all your xover points made first order, the drivers were not starting and stopping at the same time.</p><p></p><p>A different kind of phase problem is when you have drivers out of phase with each other. (example: the rf door speaker is connected the opposite of the left door speaker. This is very easy to check and fix. Get some music that you know well, and has a strong center vocal image. If the vocal image is not centered like normal, reverse the speaker cables for 1 speaker only. Your image will go back to center.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sfall, post: 8574810, member: 673086"] "Rephased the mids and wow stunning just trying to understand why" There's no simple answer. Speakers can be out of phase in different ways, and by different amounts. You can even alter phase during the install and setup without realizing it. First, look at the 3 way component system. Looking at the specs will tell you phase information. Unless the xover points are at a slope of anything other than first order (6db), the speakers are designed to work out of phase. So, if your xover points are 2nd order (12db), 3rd order(18db), 4th order (24db), etc..., the drivers will start and stop at different times, by design. To further complicate matters, any type of equalization or xover adjustments made by any other outside components (head unit, eq, xover,,,), will also alter phase for any frequencies changed by them. So, for example, when you set the system up, you could have changed a 2nd order xover point to a 3rd or 4th order point, and not know it. Someone above mentioned doing a pop test with a battery to check absolute phase. That's good for checking what terminals are + and -. However, when you install the speaker and the signal travels through all the different components, phase will still be effected by these outside factors, and can change it. "so i'm of the school of thought all speakers need to move in a forward direction To me this was backed up by what i found that as the mid was marked up correctly the crossover was marked up correctly but the mid was out of phase with the tweeter and mid bass driver" Given the above, that really didn't happen. Unless you used absolutely no signal processing, digital or analog, and had all your xover points made first order, the drivers were not starting and stopping at the same time. A different kind of phase problem is when you have drivers out of phase with each other. (example: the rf door speaker is connected the opposite of the left door speaker. This is very easy to check and fix. Get some music that you know well, and has a strong center vocal image. If the vocal image is not centered like normal, reverse the speaker cables for 1 speaker only. Your image will go back to center. [/QUOTE]
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