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<blockquote data-quote="calebkhill" data-source="post: 8157266" data-attributes="member: 647857">Good discussion.I understand what y&#039;all are arguing.On one hand, clipping isn&#039;t useful to the average person fur various reasons.On the other hand we are trying to save equipment bt.That&#039;s the point, to save equipment.Now, when you say, &quot;a shop tunes by ear because the scope is overkill for the average person&quot;.... it would be true, but shops don&#039;t even know what a scope is to begin with. So that&#039;s not the reason, &quot;because it isn&#039;t applicable to the average system&quot;, they don&#039;t use one because thet don&#039;t know what it is. Which strengthens the point that &quot;shops don&#039;t know *****&quot; And they don&#039;t.And they don&#039;t know sht. I asked Kar Tunes to scope mine, they said what&#039;s that.I asked Jimmy Car Stereo &quot;what&#039;s the crossover point on those passives&quot;, the only Memphis tweeter he sold. He didn&#039;t know. And when i mentioned 3.5khz is normal in passives, he said &quot;ono, that&#039;s to low&quot;That&#039;s just a couple examples.I&#039;d be scared to let a shop install, say, 4000 watt system. Let&#039;s clip some subs and amps at that power.Overall, the point is. Customers pull out the parking lot and burn up equipment. Shops need to use a scope or dmm and let the person know when they cross the line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="calebkhill, post: 8157266, member: 647857"] Good discussion. I understand what y'all are arguing. On one hand, clipping isn't useful to the average person fur various reasons. On the other hand we are trying to save equipment bt. That's the point, to save equipment. Now, when you say, "a shop tunes by ear because the scope is overkill for the average person".... it would be true, but shops don't even know what a scope is to begin with. So that's not the reason, "because it isn't applicable to the average system", they don't use one because thet don't know what it is. Which strengthens the point that "shops don't know *****" And they don't. And they don't know sht. I asked Kar Tunes to scope mine, they said what's that. I asked Jimmy Car Stereo "what's the crossover point on those passives", the only Memphis tweeter he sold. He didn't know. And when i mentioned 3.5khz is normal in passives, he said "ono, that's to low" That's just a couple examples. I'd be scared to let a shop install, say, 4000 watt system. Let's clip some subs and amps at that power. Overall, the point is. Customers pull out the parking lot and burn up equipment. Shops need to use a scope or dmm and let the person know when they cross the line. [/QUOTE]

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