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<blockquote data-quote="ciaonzo" data-source="post: 8651773" data-attributes="member: 607015"><p>The HCCA looks pretty well built to me, I've been looking them over recently with all the hubbub. I also looked pretty closely at the internals of my XTR2500.1 and I was pleased with the quality and finish right down to the solder joints, because the joints usually tell the story if the components don't. More than that, it actually sounds very good! Better than my old 1500w Clarion class G/H amp that was aimed at SQ guys. </p><p>Edit: I just saw post <a href="http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&amp;action=hash&amp;hash=11" target="_blank">#111</a> above so the following paragraph may not hold any weight.</p><p></p><p>I think the durability will only come into play for those who are truly abusing them, insisting on running at 1 ohm or below while allowing them to see low voltage, or long periods of constant-tone driven songs at full tilt (right at clipping) without giving the amp a proper breather. The rest of the failures will be the percentage of failures that were going to happen statistically no matter what. I think it would also help if people would view the XTR and HCCA the way the old stuff was intended to be used, the HCCA for the low impedance setups and the XTR amps at 4 or 2 ohm. I wouldn't run the XTR at 1 ohm over the life of the amp because it's not built as stout as the HCCA line, and I feel like that what's Orion intended.</p><p></p><p>I couldn't agree more with your last statement there, just testing for a few power numbers is far from the whole story and I wish someone would develop the tests that correlate why we like and dislike the sounds of some amps, and I'm not talking about clipping <strong>at all. </strong>Things like how many triangle wave comparitors, full bridge/half bridge, regulated/unregulated and with how many rails/auxiliary rails, low bias/high bias or low/high/no negative feedback loop(for other class amps), or why subsonic filters can destroy the overall sound quality in a good sub setup. A few people are like WTF on that one but time and again I choose the subjective performance of amps without subsonic filters. SPL guys or guys tuned high can disregard any of that for obvious reasons, lol.</p><p></p><p>I agree, I think it would carry even more weight than it already does. But I also just want to see how close the results are between these two guys who are very thorough with their approach. I believe it would highlight any if &amp; why reasons there may be a slight variance out there in the field of testing, altogether. I suspect the grouping between any variance would still be pretty tight, though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ciaonzo, post: 8651773, member: 607015"] The HCCA looks pretty well built to me, I've been looking them over recently with all the hubbub. I also looked pretty closely at the internals of my XTR2500.1 and I was pleased with the quality and finish right down to the solder joints, because the joints usually tell the story if the components don't. More than that, it actually sounds very good! Better than my old 1500w Clarion class G/H amp that was aimed at SQ guys. Edit: I just saw post [URL="http://www.caraudio.com/forums/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=11"]#111[/URL] above so the following paragraph may not hold any weight. I think the durability will only come into play for those who are truly abusing them, insisting on running at 1 ohm or below while allowing them to see low voltage, or long periods of constant-tone driven songs at full tilt (right at clipping) without giving the amp a proper breather. The rest of the failures will be the percentage of failures that were going to happen statistically no matter what. I think it would also help if people would view the XTR and HCCA the way the old stuff was intended to be used, the HCCA for the low impedance setups and the XTR amps at 4 or 2 ohm. I wouldn't run the XTR at 1 ohm over the life of the amp because it's not built as stout as the HCCA line, and I feel like that what's Orion intended. I couldn't agree more with your last statement there, just testing for a few power numbers is far from the whole story and I wish someone would develop the tests that correlate why we like and dislike the sounds of some amps, and I'm not talking about clipping [B]at all. [/B]Things like how many triangle wave comparitors, full bridge/half bridge, regulated/unregulated and with how many rails/auxiliary rails, low bias/high bias or low/high/no negative feedback loop(for other class amps), or why subsonic filters can destroy the overall sound quality in a good sub setup. A few people are like WTF on that one but time and again I choose the subjective performance of amps without subsonic filters. SPL guys or guys tuned high can disregard any of that for obvious reasons, lol. I agree, I think it would carry even more weight than it already does. But I also just want to see how close the results are between these two guys who are very thorough with their approach. I believe it would highlight any if & why reasons there may be a slight variance out there in the field of testing, altogether. I suspect the grouping between any variance would still be pretty tight, though. [/QUOTE]
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