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<blockquote data-quote="idiot" data-source="post: 3084415" data-attributes="member: 550902"><p>Brief history:</p><p></p><p>I had a set of Focal 165K2P installed for three years. Then after I moved from CT to AL, my sound deadening fell onto the back of my Focal woofers, killing them. So I had to replace them.</p><p></p><p>Pioneer P880PRS</p><p></p><p>Usher 8945P</p><p></p><p>Peerless HDS Tweeter</p><p></p><p>PG Xenon x200.4</p><p></p><p>Soundsplinter Rl-p15</p><p></p><p>Avionixx AXT1200.1</p><p></p><p>Tweeters</p><p></p><p>HP: 2kHz@18dB</p><p></p><p>Mids</p><p></p><p>HP: 63Hz@24dB LP: 1.6kHz@12dB</p><p></p><p>Sub</p><p></p><p>LP: 50Hz@18dB</p><p></p><p>The tweeter aiming is off a bit: they point a little too low and a little too far forward. They're hitting the windows about 2-3 inches forward of my shoulder. I hope that I'll be able to do a better job whenever I try this again, hopefully with a bit more freedom to work in (a garage would be nice!). Fortunately, the HDS tweeters have fantastic off-axis response, so I'm not sweating this too much. It's certainly not dramatic enough for me to re-make my a-pillars, but then again, I'm not quite as hardcore as some of you guys here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Obviously, they're not painted yet.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://i13.tinypic.com/6h54g12.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>I had to cut up my door panels to make room for the Ushers and their huge magnet, but at least the windows still roll all the way down. I made another thread on DIYMA about making a grill and got some great ideas, so eventually I'll cover these up with something. But I'm not sure when I'll get around to that. They're fine for the moment, as long as I keep reminding every passenger that I will tear off their face if they kick my speaker. The second picture is at a bad angle; the hole is centered around the speaker, but the bottom part of the surround and frame stick through the hole in the panel.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://i7.tinypic.com/6exa06g.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://i10.tinypic.com/4y50aw1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><strong>Howard Shore - The Fellowship of the Ring Soundtrack</strong></p><p></p><p>This was the first CD I popped in. I skipped ahead to to "The Bridge of Khazad Dum" and didn't realize that my sub was unplugged until I checked at the end of the song. One word to describe these Ushers is <em>powerful</em>. My mirrors were shaking half an inch each direction, my doors were moving like I've never felt before, and the opening part of the song was kicking in my chest. So first impressions were pretty **** good. I'd never felt that kind of bass from my K2Ps, which were getting (presumably, see post below) the same amount of power from the same location. Further, "The Breaking of the Fellowship" demonstrated the absolute smoothest top-end response I've heard in my vehicle. Ever. And despite being separated by several feet, the mid and tweeter blend tremendously. The Focals were pretty good about this when I used the built-in crossover correction, but it was still evident at certain times. Granted, I've only been listening for a few hours, but I think the crossover point helps greatly here (the K2P crosses over at ~3.8kHz).</p><p></p><p><strong>The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute</strong></p><p></p><p>For those unfamiliar with TMV, they are the ultimate test of any tweeter. Between the vocals, guitar, and effects, any possible peaking of your systems response in the high frequencies WILL be exposed. With my un-EQed TN52, this band was honestly painful at certain parts, and that was <em>after</em> I had attenuated -7dB. Now, these HDS tweeters still peak in specific parts and admittedly brought a cringe or two throughout the album, so obviously there's some adjustments needed in my future. But overall, the response was so much smoother than my Focals that I can't really compare them--hell, I made it through the whole CD without touching the volume once... which is the first time that's happened. Vocals are now awesomely crisp, with a kind of clarity I never had with the K2Ps. Also, the low HP on my tweeters really helps to raise the soundstage. I can certainly see why these are such popular tweeters--they sound fantastic. And when "L'Via L'Viaquez" started, the midbass was outstanding--I've never heard so much upfront low-end on that song.</p><p></p><p>I was just about to audition Tool - Lateralus, but I only got through one song before I was called away to barbeque. I didn't even get to break out Meshuggah for some double-kick goodness. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif</p><p></p><p>To summarize, I cannot find one area thus far that hasn't seen an improvement over the Focals. And that's somewhat disheartening seeing as how the K2Ps were... well, much more than I paid for the four drivers I'm using now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="idiot, post: 3084415, member: 550902"] Brief history: I had a set of Focal 165K2P installed for three years. Then after I moved from CT to AL, my sound deadening fell onto the back of my Focal woofers, killing them. So I had to replace them. Pioneer P880PRS Usher 8945P Peerless HDS Tweeter PG Xenon x200.4 Soundsplinter Rl-p15 Avionixx AXT1200.1 Tweeters HP: 2kHz@18dB Mids HP: 63Hz@24dB LP: 1.6kHz@12dB Sub LP: 50Hz@18dB The tweeter aiming is off a bit: they point a little too low and a little too far forward. They're hitting the windows about 2-3 inches forward of my shoulder. I hope that I'll be able to do a better job whenever I try this again, hopefully with a bit more freedom to work in (a garage would be nice!). Fortunately, the HDS tweeters have fantastic off-axis response, so I'm not sweating this too much. It's certainly not dramatic enough for me to re-make my a-pillars, but then again, I'm not quite as hardcore as some of you guys here. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] Obviously, they're not painted yet. [IMG]http://i13.tinypic.com/6h54g12.jpg[/IMG] I had to cut up my door panels to make room for the Ushers and their huge magnet, but at least the windows still roll all the way down. I made another thread on DIYMA about making a grill and got some great ideas, so eventually I'll cover these up with something. But I'm not sure when I'll get around to that. They're fine for the moment, as long as I keep reminding every passenger that I will tear off their face if they kick my speaker. The second picture is at a bad angle; the hole is centered around the speaker, but the bottom part of the surround and frame stick through the hole in the panel. [IMG]http://i7.tinypic.com/6exa06g.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i10.tinypic.com/4y50aw1.jpg[/IMG] [B]Howard Shore - The Fellowship of the Ring Soundtrack[/B] This was the first CD I popped in. I skipped ahead to to "The Bridge of Khazad Dum" and didn't realize that my sub was unplugged until I checked at the end of the song. One word to describe these Ushers is [I]powerful[/I]. My mirrors were shaking half an inch each direction, my doors were moving like I've never felt before, and the opening part of the song was kicking in my chest. So first impressions were pretty **** good. I'd never felt that kind of bass from my K2Ps, which were getting (presumably, see post below) the same amount of power from the same location. Further, "The Breaking of the Fellowship" demonstrated the absolute smoothest top-end response I've heard in my vehicle. Ever. And despite being separated by several feet, the mid and tweeter blend tremendously. The Focals were pretty good about this when I used the built-in crossover correction, but it was still evident at certain times. Granted, I've only been listening for a few hours, but I think the crossover point helps greatly here (the K2P crosses over at ~3.8kHz). [B]The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute[/B] For those unfamiliar with TMV, they are the ultimate test of any tweeter. Between the vocals, guitar, and effects, any possible peaking of your systems response in the high frequencies WILL be exposed. With my un-EQed TN52, this band was honestly painful at certain parts, and that was [I]after[/I] I had attenuated -7dB. Now, these HDS tweeters still peak in specific parts and admittedly brought a cringe or two throughout the album, so obviously there's some adjustments needed in my future. But overall, the response was so much smoother than my Focals that I can't really compare them--hell, I made it through the whole CD without touching the volume once... which is the first time that's happened. Vocals are now awesomely crisp, with a kind of clarity I never had with the K2Ps. Also, the low HP on my tweeters really helps to raise the soundstage. I can certainly see why these are such popular tweeters--they sound fantastic. And when "L'Via L'Viaquez" started, the midbass was outstanding--I've never heard so much upfront low-end on that song. I was just about to audition Tool - Lateralus, but I only got through one song before I was called away to barbeque. I didn't even get to break out Meshuggah for some double-kick goodness. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif[/IMG] To summarize, I cannot find one area thus far that hasn't seen an improvement over the Focals. And that's somewhat disheartening seeing as how the K2Ps were... well, much more than I paid for the four drivers I'm using now. [/QUOTE]
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