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<blockquote data-quote="slickone" data-source="post: 6320423" data-attributes="member: 603656">Dave, I am a bigger stream junkie than you but i dont think will will ever admit it. I won&#039;t knock the new amps till i can try them and a/b them to what i have and know..I have had all the reference line from the past...literally..and to say the new line is &quot;exactly&quot; the same design as the old is well, imho a lie....you can look at the 2 and seeFor me, the old school soundstream up to the s and sx line reference was the best they were and again, imo, are...this is including the d class/mc class/reference class skip ahead to the rubicon and they fixed the auto auto current but lost a lot of respect in the process...van gogh were stout amps but i never ran them personally...a lot of my friends haveI have tinkered with a lot of amps over the years and when in doubt, the reference&#039;s go back in the ride...Again, I would really like to a/b them and one day maybe I can..I don&#039;t have any connections anymore with the company so it would have to be at a retail level</blockquote>

[QUOTE="slickone, post: 6320423, member: 603656"] Dave, I am a bigger stream junkie than you but i dont think will will ever admit it. I won't knock the new amps till i can try them and a/b them to what i have and know..I have had all the reference line from the past...literally..and to say the new line is "exactly" the same design as the old is well, imho a lie....you can look at the 2 and see For me, the old school soundstream up to the s and sx line reference was the best they were and again, imo, are...this is including the d class/mc class/reference class skip ahead to the rubicon and they fixed the auto auto current but lost a lot of respect in the process...van gogh were stout amps but i never ran them personally...a lot of my friends have I have tinkered with a lot of amps over the years and when in doubt, the reference's go back in the ride... Again, I would really like to a/b them and one day maybe I can..I don't have any connections anymore with the company so it would have to be at a retail level [/QUOTE]

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