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<blockquote data-quote="danno14" data-source="post: 7557531" data-attributes="member: 618422">A few quotes and my comments.... valued at what they cost ($zero)People believe their opinion to be correct, otherwise they change their opinion (credit- me)&quot;because Ive heard of&quot; - one of the most frequent comments on the interweb. As opposed to &quot;Because I heard/experienced first hand&quot;&quot;Is a 9 second Civic as good as a F430?&quot; It depends upon the person... to me the F430 rules but I can appreciate my buddies 8.3s civic. Just don&#039;t want a ride in it as I will probably puke.&quot;highend zapco, lunar, arcs ideally sound extremely similar I really doubt you could choose them&quot;- I probably couldn&#039;t.... but some people could, and comparing high end vs. high end is the playground I want to be on.&quot;You test this by determining whether the human ear can distinguish between one or the other&quot; Not my ears.... limited ability above 16k, and too much time spent with Barney/Elmo/Backyardigan&#039;s on an endless loop in my environment! Doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t want to try. Heck, most folks cannot tell the difference between MP3 and FLAC, nor do they care to try. Sad state for our hobby.&quot;Ears cannot be trusted&quot; by Zaph. Note my comment above. My ears lose their calibration fairly quickly, as do most peoples. Talk to any audiologist if you want &quot;proof&quot; from someone with credentials. Also, if the &quot;golden standard&quot; you are referencing is to use ears to discern the difference, but the authority you are quoting states that ears cannot be trusted, doesn&#039;t that blow a hole in the validity of your argument?&quot;I just work at mcintosh part time&quot; Lucky bastich!&quot;you will 110% be able to tell the difference&quot; I hope I can with my system, but I would hope all others could too. BUT, if you cannot, it&#039;s not really my problem. It&#039;s MY system (home or car) and if I like it and how it sounds, that&#039;s ultimately what matters! (to me) Even if it&#039;s because of the pretty blue/red/green/flashing/whatever lights.&quot;not worth the price though.&quot;-Probably not if hair tricks are what you are trying to achieve (attempt at humor). This is the most subjective of statements! What it&#039;s worth it to you differs greatly from what it&#039;s worth to me. The same goes for pretty much everything- the hot wife, car, job, single malt, etc. Luckily there&#039;s &quot;stuff&quot; out there to cover both our wants and discretionary incomes.&quot;when it comes to sound quality, it&#039;s the first watt that is most important! &quot; An interesting concept.... I would honestly love to hear the justification. My instinct would be &quot;it&#039;s the last watt&quot; as the last would be the onset of distortion. My mind is open and willing to change on this one.One last- &quot;Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it&#039;s wrong&quot; (credit- me)Interesting dialog, if not already run to the ground.Happy Holidays all!D</blockquote>

[QUOTE="danno14, post: 7557531, member: 618422"] A few quotes and my comments.... valued at what they cost ($zero) People believe their opinion to be correct, otherwise they change their opinion (credit- me) "because Ive heard of" - one of the most frequent comments on the interweb. As opposed to "Because I heard/experienced first hand" "Is a 9 second Civic as good as a F430?" It depends upon the person... to me the F430 rules but I can appreciate my buddies 8.3s civic. Just don't want a ride in it as I will probably puke. "highend zapco, lunar, arcs [B]ideally [/B]sound extremely similar I really doubt you could choose them"- I probably couldn't.... but some people could, and comparing high end vs. high end is the playground I want to be on. "You test this by determining whether the human ear can distinguish between one or the other" Not my ears.... limited ability above 16k, and too much time spent with Barney/Elmo/Backyardigan's on an endless loop in my environment! Doesn't mean I don't want to try. Heck, most folks cannot tell the difference between MP3 and FLAC, nor do they care to try. Sad state for our hobby. "Ears cannot be trusted" by Zaph. Note my comment above. My ears lose their calibration fairly quickly, as do most peoples. Talk to any audiologist if you want "proof" from someone with credentials. Also, if the "golden standard" you are referencing is to use ears to discern the difference, but the authority you are quoting states that ears cannot be trusted, doesn't that blow a hole in the validity of your argument? "I just work at mcintosh part time" Lucky bastich! "you will 110% be able to tell the difference" I hope I can with my system, but I would hope all others could too. BUT, if you cannot, it's not really my problem. It's [B]MY [/B]system (home or car) and if [B]I [/B]like it and how it sounds, that's ultimately what matters! (to me) Even if it's because of the pretty blue/red/green/flashing/whatever lights. "not worth the price though."-Probably not if hair tricks are what you are trying to achieve (attempt at humor). This is the most subjective of statements! What it's worth it to you differs greatly from what it's worth to me. The same goes for pretty much everything- the hot wife, car, job, single malt, etc. Luckily there's "stuff" out there to cover both our wants and discretionary incomes. "when it comes to sound quality, it's the first watt that is most important! " An interesting concept.... I would honestly love to hear the justification. My instinct would be "it's the last watt" as the last would be the onset of distortion. My mind is open and willing to change on this one. One last- "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even if it's wrong" (credit- me) Interesting dialog, if not already run to the ground. Happy Holidays all! D [/QUOTE]

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