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<blockquote data-quote="Electrodynamic" data-source="post: 4745817" data-attributes="member: 548723"><p>Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Previous Mags were crap, I was just riding the hype. Honda's 2005 Accords were total crap piles because their later models (2006, 2007, 2008, etc) just had improvements. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Intel just sold crap with the 486, and original Pentiums since they clearly sold better processors this year.</p><p></p><p>Yes, that is sarcasm.</p><p></p><p>Have you ever heard of product improvement? Raising the bar? Do you believe the first, second, etc, offerings ANY company has is the pinnacle their design abilities will ever yield?</p><p></p><p>The original Mags were great. But rather than sit on our laurels - which you seem to espouse - we kept sweating, working, learning and came up with something even better.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, Mr. Morgan is pretty wrong about his understanding of magnetics in general and XBL in specific. I'll take the word of my engineering team who not only helped with my driver, but works for companies like Microsoft, Dell, Harman, Event Electronics, Mackie, Ford, Tymphany, and many more. Companies that have thousands of top-flight engineers but still hire these guys because they are the experts in their field.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You create ZERO stray flux when you stack the top plates. You may increase the reluctance of the motor from potential air gaps, but that is nothing to do with stray flux. A basic understanding of electromagnetics will confirm this to be the case.</p><p></p><p>In fact, magnetic flux SEEKS OUT magnetically conductive material like steel (or magnet) to flow within, rather than air. Stray flux happens when there is either saturation and the flux must flow in other paths, or the</p><p></p><p>reluctance through the air is less than the reluctance through the steel.</p><p></p><p>Nick - from a flux standpoint - a stacked top plate and a stacked magnet set are identical. Does having all those double and triple stack magnets cause excess stray flux? If not, then what is the difference from having a triple stack magnet with a single piece top plate or a single stack magnet with a two piece top plate?</p><p></p><p>What about the air gap between the magnet and the back plate? Or the air gap between the magnet and the top plate? Do they "spray flux" as well? Those are all air gaps as you put. The key is to keep the volume of air between either - magnets or top plate parts - to a minimum. Minimize the air volume, you minimize the reluctance, and you do not affect the total flux flow. And stray flux isn't even in the</p><p></p><p>equation...</p><p></p><p>The proof is in the pudding - measurements of BL show that the models match reality to within a few percent, and are accurate for either stacked or non-stacked motor systems.</p><p></p><p>Now, talking about spraying windex, stray flux, and parabolic form, I would venture to say your models are wrong, you don't know what you're doing, or purposely gaming the models. The most you can claim is that at a free corner there is stray flux. However, that is not the case when you keep tolerances to minimum.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Flux does not "dance around randomly". It will flow from pole to pole by the path of least reluctance. Like current flows on the path of least resistance. There is nothing random about it - your claim otherwise shows</p><p></p><p>that you do not understand the way magnetics really work.</p><p></p><p>Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go pack so I can move into another house. If you'd like further clarification on anything I've posted I can do so at a later time.</p><p></p><p>Oh, about T/S's - I'll post the T/S's from one of our production samples over on our forum this weekend. I completely understand why people want them. I just wanted people to listen to it before releasing the T/S's, that's all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Electrodynamic, post: 4745817, member: 548723"] Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Previous Mags were crap, I was just riding the hype. Honda's 2005 Accords were total crap piles because their later models (2006, 2007, 2008, etc) just had improvements. [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif[/IMG] Intel just sold crap with the 486, and original Pentiums since they clearly sold better processors this year. Yes, that is sarcasm. Have you ever heard of product improvement? Raising the bar? Do you believe the first, second, etc, offerings ANY company has is the pinnacle their design abilities will ever yield? The original Mags were great. But rather than sit on our laurels - which you seem to espouse - we kept sweating, working, learning and came up with something even better. Actually, Mr. Morgan is pretty wrong about his understanding of magnetics in general and XBL in specific. I'll take the word of my engineering team who not only helped with my driver, but works for companies like Microsoft, Dell, Harman, Event Electronics, Mackie, Ford, Tymphany, and many more. Companies that have thousands of top-flight engineers but still hire these guys because they are the experts in their field. You create ZERO stray flux when you stack the top plates. You may increase the reluctance of the motor from potential air gaps, but that is nothing to do with stray flux. A basic understanding of electromagnetics will confirm this to be the case. In fact, magnetic flux SEEKS OUT magnetically conductive material like steel (or magnet) to flow within, rather than air. Stray flux happens when there is either saturation and the flux must flow in other paths, or the reluctance through the air is less than the reluctance through the steel. Nick - from a flux standpoint - a stacked top plate and a stacked magnet set are identical. Does having all those double and triple stack magnets cause excess stray flux? If not, then what is the difference from having a triple stack magnet with a single piece top plate or a single stack magnet with a two piece top plate? What about the air gap between the magnet and the back plate? Or the air gap between the magnet and the top plate? Do they "spray flux" as well? Those are all air gaps as you put. The key is to keep the volume of air between either - magnets or top plate parts - to a minimum. Minimize the air volume, you minimize the reluctance, and you do not affect the total flux flow. And stray flux isn't even in the equation... The proof is in the pudding - measurements of BL show that the models match reality to within a few percent, and are accurate for either stacked or non-stacked motor systems. Now, talking about spraying windex, stray flux, and parabolic form, I would venture to say your models are wrong, you don't know what you're doing, or purposely gaming the models. The most you can claim is that at a free corner there is stray flux. However, that is not the case when you keep tolerances to minimum. Flux does not "dance around randomly". It will flow from pole to pole by the path of least reluctance. Like current flows on the path of least resistance. There is nothing random about it - your claim otherwise shows that you do not understand the way magnetics really work. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go pack so I can move into another house. If you'd like further clarification on anything I've posted I can do so at a later time. Oh, about T/S's - I'll post the T/S's from one of our production samples over on our forum this weekend. I completely understand why people want them. I just wanted people to listen to it before releasing the T/S's, that's all. [/QUOTE]
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