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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8403198" data-attributes="member: 614752"><p>DD95 was a 3" coil when they were setting records and the DD-z is 3 inch coil setting records. DD has made 4" coil Z's and is no longer making them. By my estimation that's clear evidence that to date it is optimum for SPL. The guys with extreme builds won't blink at an extra 2000$ per sub if it'll put them from 179 to 180... or from 182 to 183. The trust-fund kid, celebrity/athlete won't even look at price tag if it's "the best". What was the MSRP of Kicker Warhorse? JBL/Crown 6K? MTX Jackhammer? Clarion 32"? The fact that they don't make parts for them is a good indication that NOBODY is doing real SPL with them. If someone was doing extreme SPL with them they'd still make/stock softparts to sell to those guys every time they break something.</p><p></p><p>I was thinking of thermal compression (explained nicely in TC Sounds subwoofer myths...which can be found archived online) which likely comes into play in extreme applications, but magnet material won't effect that. As far as just having more motor force to push against their own pressure wave once you really start increasing power the reports I heave heard from testing shows that neo really pulls ahead of ceramic there.</p><p></p><p>I've got some text data here of impedance sweeps (WT3 software is on my old computer). Comparing the 05 Shocker Sig with d2.8 coil vs. Neo sig with same coil and other 12" parts, the ceramic shows impedance peak of 34ohm and the neo at 44ohm. Interestingly enough the same coil and neo motor built up to 18" has impedance peak at 20ohms (at the same freq as the 12). With the 18" build and the d1.4 ohm coil we rise from 3 ohm to close to 30 at a lower Fs! Aluminum coil also seems to change impedance curve and Fs. Honestly I would say there's more to how high your impedance will peak than motor material anyway. I would say moving FS (through varying stiffness of the spider or different mass coils) has a significant effect on impedance peak as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8403198, member: 614752"] DD95 was a 3" coil when they were setting records and the DD-z is 3 inch coil setting records. DD has made 4" coil Z's and is no longer making them. By my estimation that's clear evidence that to date it is optimum for SPL. The guys with extreme builds won't blink at an extra 2000$ per sub if it'll put them from 179 to 180... or from 182 to 183. The trust-fund kid, celebrity/athlete won't even look at price tag if it's "the best". What was the MSRP of Kicker Warhorse? JBL/Crown 6K? MTX Jackhammer? Clarion 32"? The fact that they don't make parts for them is a good indication that NOBODY is doing real SPL with them. If someone was doing extreme SPL with them they'd still make/stock softparts to sell to those guys every time they break something. I was thinking of thermal compression (explained nicely in TC Sounds subwoofer myths...which can be found archived online) which likely comes into play in extreme applications, but magnet material won't effect that. As far as just having more motor force to push against their own pressure wave once you really start increasing power the reports I heave heard from testing shows that neo really pulls ahead of ceramic there. I've got some text data here of impedance sweeps (WT3 software is on my old computer). Comparing the 05 Shocker Sig with d2.8 coil vs. Neo sig with same coil and other 12" parts, the ceramic shows impedance peak of 34ohm and the neo at 44ohm. Interestingly enough the same coil and neo motor built up to 18" has impedance peak at 20ohms (at the same freq as the 12). With the 18" build and the d1.4 ohm coil we rise from 3 ohm to close to 30 at a lower Fs! Aluminum coil also seems to change impedance curve and Fs. Honestly I would say there's more to how high your impedance will peak than motor material anyway. I would say moving FS (through varying stiffness of the spider or different mass coils) has a significant effect on impedance peak as well. [/QUOTE]
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