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Message: <blockquote data-quote="newusername" data-source="post: 5670308" data-attributes="member: 562064"><p>The thing is: if your only reason for making this thread was to make that point, then you wasted your time.  It is an old argument that everyone who has seriously considered this topic is familiar with.  Now that your feet are getting held to the flames, you're faltering and backing out of the debate, a sure concession of defeat.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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