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<blockquote data-quote="perfecxionX" data-source="post: 5667313" data-attributes="member: 572854"><p>I don't think we have gotten much of a chance to see what does happen in a society without religion. The closest on earth would be Scandinavian countries where something like 85-90% of the populations claim to not believe in any god and by many standards they are some of the best places on the planet to live.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We certainly are animals in the sense that we are related to them, and are all doomed to die like an animal, but that doesn't necessarily make us equal to all animals in moral terms. I would actually continue your line of reasoning here and say that the fact that we are capable of such a complex experience is why we are the most valuable life forms. This is the same reason we are all more concerned about the treatment of a dog vs a fly. Perhaps this is one of many moral intuitions we all share. As i said, there are clear evolutionary explanations for why we have developed such strong moral intuitions. So I dont think that lacking an omnipresent dictator makes it likely that these values will disappear.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="perfecxionX, post: 5667313, member: 572854"] I don't think we have gotten much of a chance to see what does happen in a society without religion. The closest on earth would be Scandinavian countries where something like 85-90% of the populations claim to not believe in any god and by many standards they are some of the best places on the planet to live. We certainly are animals in the sense that we are related to them, and are all doomed to die like an animal, but that doesn't necessarily make us equal to all animals in moral terms. I would actually continue your line of reasoning here and say that the fact that we are capable of such a complex experience is why we are the most valuable life forms. This is the same reason we are all more concerned about the treatment of a dog vs a fly. Perhaps this is one of many moral intuitions we all share. As i said, there are clear evolutionary explanations for why we have developed such strong moral intuitions. So I dont think that lacking an omnipresent dictator makes it likely that these values will disappear. [/QUOTE]
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