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<blockquote data-quote="LX2" data-source="post: 2433894" data-attributes="member: 572417"><p>Quote:</p><p></p><p>Originally Posted by squeak9798</p><p></p><p>Passive Crossovers</p><p></p><p>Ok, passive crossover networks are unpowered crossovers (i.e. no external power source) that split the frequencies between the speakers in a component set. They send the higher frequencies to the tweeter and the lower frequencies to the mid(s). They accomplish this by using a combination of capacitors and coils to create certain crossover points and slopes. They are wired in line with the speakers, between the speakers and the amplifier. The amplifier's output is connected to the passive's input, then the mid(s) and tweeter are connected to the passive's output.</p><p></p><p>Now, when two speakers (a mid and a tweeter) are on a passive crossover, the mid and tweeter are not wired in series or parallel. Two 4ohm speakers (a mid and a tweet) do not make a 2ohm load or an 8ohm load. Two 4ohm speakers on a passive crossover network create a 4ohm load on the amplifier. Two 8ohm speakers on a passive xover create an 8ohm load. A 4ohm mid and 8ohm tweeter on a passive xover creates a 4ohm load for the mid's frequencies and an 8ohm load for the tweeter frequencies. Reason for this has to do with the fact that passive's are based on frequency distribution and not power distribution.</p><p></p><p>When you have components sets with passive crossovers, the power from the amp is not split between the speakers. If you have a 70 watt amp, then each speaker is going to receive 70 watts (assuming all speakers are the same impedance). If you are sending 70 watts @ 4ohm to the component set, and the mid is 4ohm and the tweeter is 8ohm, then the mid will receive 70 watts but the tweeter will only receive 35 watts.</p><p></p><p>This probably isn't a very technical explanation….but it gets the point across none-the-less Let's pretend theoretically that we are running a 70 watt @ 4ohm amp full range. That amp (theoretically) puts out 70 watts at all frequencies at 4ohms, correct?? Now, pretend that we are running that amp to a component set (with all 4ohm speakers) through a passive crossover with a crossover point of 3500hz. So, we are taking that full range signal from the amp and splitting up the frequencies between the mid and tweet at 3500hz. Now, since we are splitting the frequencies and nothing else, there is still going to be 70 watts worth of power at all frequencies below the crossover point and at all frequencies above the crossover point, just the same as there was before we split the signal (since it was putting out 70w at all frequencies).</p><p></p><p>Im still new here and I find a lot of this info informative.</p><p></p><p>There is a lot of info above pertaining to impendances and components I</p><p></p><p>was not aware of.</p><p></p><p>But there is still something I dont get and it has to do with the</p><p></p><p>power distribution and how its handled by the passive.</p><p></p><p>My understanding is that if you are sending 70 w @ 4ohm into a passive</p><p></p><p>then TOTAL power produced cannot exceed 70W rms.</p><p></p><p>In the explanation by squeak9798 he states that if all speakers are the</p><p></p><p>same impendance then EACH speaker will recieve 70 w which means</p><p></p><p>the amp is now producing 140W or the passive is amplifying the power itself.</p><p></p><p>This doesnt make sense.</p><p></p><p>Im not arguing that its possible. But up untill anyone includes other variables that</p><p></p><p>explain this I cant except this info. Or is there something I am missing?</p><p></p><p>If the impendance or the amp is 4 ohm (rate 70 w @ 4 ohms)and both speakers are 4 ohms from the passive how can each speaker recieve 70watts - total 140w?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LX2, post: 2433894, member: 572417"] Quote: Originally Posted by squeak9798 Passive Crossovers Ok, passive crossover networks are unpowered crossovers (i.e. no external power source) that split the frequencies between the speakers in a component set. They send the higher frequencies to the tweeter and the lower frequencies to the mid(s). They accomplish this by using a combination of capacitors and coils to create certain crossover points and slopes. They are wired in line with the speakers, between the speakers and the amplifier. The amplifier's output is connected to the passive's input, then the mid(s) and tweeter are connected to the passive's output. Now, when two speakers (a mid and a tweeter) are on a passive crossover, the mid and tweeter are not wired in series or parallel. Two 4ohm speakers (a mid and a tweet) do not make a 2ohm load or an 8ohm load. Two 4ohm speakers on a passive crossover network create a 4ohm load on the amplifier. Two 8ohm speakers on a passive xover create an 8ohm load. A 4ohm mid and 8ohm tweeter on a passive xover creates a 4ohm load for the mid's frequencies and an 8ohm load for the tweeter frequencies. Reason for this has to do with the fact that passive's are based on frequency distribution and not power distribution. When you have components sets with passive crossovers, the power from the amp is not split between the speakers. If you have a 70 watt amp, then each speaker is going to receive 70 watts (assuming all speakers are the same impedance). If you are sending 70 watts @ 4ohm to the component set, and the mid is 4ohm and the tweeter is 8ohm, then the mid will receive 70 watts but the tweeter will only receive 35 watts. This probably isn't a very technical explanation….but it gets the point across none-the-less Let's pretend theoretically that we are running a 70 watt @ 4ohm amp full range. That amp (theoretically) puts out 70 watts at all frequencies at 4ohms, correct?? Now, pretend that we are running that amp to a component set (with all 4ohm speakers) through a passive crossover with a crossover point of 3500hz. So, we are taking that full range signal from the amp and splitting up the frequencies between the mid and tweet at 3500hz. Now, since we are splitting the frequencies and nothing else, there is still going to be 70 watts worth of power at all frequencies below the crossover point and at all frequencies above the crossover point, just the same as there was before we split the signal (since it was putting out 70w at all frequencies). Im still new here and I find a lot of this info informative. There is a lot of info above pertaining to impendances and components I was not aware of. But there is still something I dont get and it has to do with the power distribution and how its handled by the passive. My understanding is that if you are sending 70 w @ 4ohm into a passive then TOTAL power produced cannot exceed 70W rms. In the explanation by squeak9798 he states that if all speakers are the same impendance then EACH speaker will recieve 70 w which means the amp is now producing 140W or the passive is amplifying the power itself. This doesnt make sense. Im not arguing that its possible. But up untill anyone includes other variables that explain this I cant except this info. Or is there something I am missing? If the impendance or the amp is 4 ohm (rate 70 w @ 4 ohms)and both speakers are 4 ohms from the passive how can each speaker recieve 70watts - total 140w? [/QUOTE]
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