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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 6861943" data-attributes="member: 549629"><p>The fact you've never met someone who doesn't want to learn English only tells me how limited your first hand experience with illegals is. Most of the illegals I knew in Cali who didnt speak english (well) were planning on returning to Mexico once they had saved enough money. One old man I met (friend's grandfather) decided he was too old to learn. Several others in the fringe of the people I knew seemed to simply despise most everything 'gringo'.</p><p>You've obviously never been to a barrio/neighborhood where its quite easy to get along every day without knowing one word of English. Ive been to some of those places. Again, your opinion exceeds your experience.</p><p></p><p>Your attempt to boil this down to I cant prove every spanish speaking illegal doesnt want to learn english is silly. Only in your fantasy world do those people not exist unless I post pics, names, addresses and phone numbers. Your reality is what you want to believe it is, not what's really out there.</p><p></p><p>If this whole 'dial 1 for english' thing is just for people who immigrated here recently and havent had time to learn english, our immigration problem must be even larger than I feared. I mean, if the number of very <em>recent</em> illegal immigrants is enough to alter our society/language in a way no other immigration has done in the past 200 years, the number of over all illegals must be in the 10's of millions. Or.... maybe you are just grasping at straws like usual, because you just cant bring yourself to believe the attitude I discuss here in illegal Mexican immigrants really exists.</p><p></p><p>Your theory that we are finding Spanish thrust into our daily lives more and more every day is simply because so many Illegals Mexicans want to learn English, but just haven't yet... is laughably naive. The reality is its a sign of just how secure these illegals feel with breaking our laws. If you were going to sneak into Germany and attempt to live there secretly, would you continue speaking English? No, you'd learn German if for no other reason than to not get caught. But Mexicans know we will let them walk all over us without us raising an eyebrow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 6861943, member: 549629"] The fact you've never met someone who doesn't want to learn English only tells me how limited your first hand experience with illegals is. Most of the illegals I knew in Cali who didnt speak english (well) were planning on returning to Mexico once they had saved enough money. One old man I met (friend's grandfather) decided he was too old to learn. Several others in the fringe of the people I knew seemed to simply despise most everything 'gringo'. You've obviously never been to a barrio/neighborhood where its quite easy to get along every day without knowing one word of English. Ive been to some of those places. Again, your opinion exceeds your experience. Your attempt to boil this down to I cant prove every spanish speaking illegal doesnt want to learn english is silly. Only in your fantasy world do those people not exist unless I post pics, names, addresses and phone numbers. Your reality is what you want to believe it is, not what's really out there. If this whole 'dial 1 for english' thing is just for people who immigrated here recently and havent had time to learn english, our immigration problem must be even larger than I feared. I mean, if the number of very [I]recent[/I] illegal immigrants is enough to alter our society/language in a way no other immigration has done in the past 200 years, the number of over all illegals must be in the 10's of millions. Or.... maybe you are just grasping at straws like usual, because you just cant bring yourself to believe the attitude I discuss here in illegal Mexican immigrants really exists. Your theory that we are finding Spanish thrust into our daily lives more and more every day is simply because so many Illegals Mexicans want to learn English, but just haven't yet... is laughably naive. The reality is its a sign of just how secure these illegals feel with breaking our laws. If you were going to sneak into Germany and attempt to live there secretly, would you continue speaking English? No, you'd learn German if for no other reason than to not get caught. But Mexicans know we will let them walk all over us without us raising an eyebrow. [/QUOTE]
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