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<blockquote data-quote="newusername" data-source="post: 6009278" data-attributes="member: 562064">The thing about the analogy of the wealthy man is that it is just plain wrong, and misses the point.A wealthy man would still leave evidence of his existence that, if possessed by one person, can be replicated before another.&nbsp; The fact that he is hiding his existence from you personally does not mean that the evidence can never be presented before you.&nbsp; On the other hand, your argument from personal experience suggests evidence that can never be shared with another person: it exists in the mind only.&nbsp; We are comparing two fundamentally different things: a material being (the wealthy man), and a supposed non-material entity (god).The US was established with liberal morales, and the founders preferred a deist god (and occasionally spoke out specifically against organized Christianity).&nbsp; Many of the moral claims in Christianity are specifically protected against in the US constitution.&nbsp; Aside from being historically inaccurate, you are also evidently unfamiliar with the anthropology of morality, which has shown that a few particular virtues (like humanity, justice, wisdom) are found in almost all cultures and religions.I won&#039;t touch on evolutionary psychology but a study of anthropology will at least get you thinking about it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="newusername, post: 6009278, member: 562064"] The thing about the analogy of the wealthy man is that it is just plain wrong, and misses the point. A wealthy man would still leave evidence of his existence that, if possessed by one person, can be replicated before another. The fact that he is hiding his existence from you personally does not mean that the evidence can never be presented before you. On the other hand, your argument from personal experience suggests evidence that can never be shared with another person: it exists in the mind only. We are comparing two fundamentally different things: a material being (the wealthy man), and a supposed non-material entity (god). The US was established with liberal morales, and the founders preferred a deist god (and occasionally spoke out specifically against organized Christianity). Many of the moral claims in Christianity are specifically protected against in the US constitution. Aside from being historically inaccurate, you are also evidently unfamiliar with the anthropology of morality, which has shown that a few particular virtues (like humanity, justice, wisdom) are found in almost all cultures and religions. I won't touch on evolutionary psychology but a study of anthropology will at least get you thinking about it. [/QUOTE]

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