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<blockquote data-quote="squeak9798" data-source="post: 6006359" data-attributes="member: 555320">If the universe appears to operate on purely natural laws that do not require a supernatural agent, why presume there is one?You are playing &quot;what if&quot; guessing games.You are playing &quot;what if&quot; guessing games.What if there is an omnipotent, omniscient elephant living in the trunk of my car?&nbsp; You look, you don&#039;t see an elephant.&nbsp; But maybe that&#039;s the miracle....that it doesn&#039;t appear an elephant exists there at all, and yet it does?&nbsp; What if you just don&#039;t believe strong enough in this elephant, and thus you are too blind to see it?&nbsp; Prove to me that such an elephant does not live in my trunk.&nbsp; There is no logical or rational reason to presume that such an elephant exists.....but what if?That is your argument in a nutshell.&nbsp; Seems rather silly when I word it like that, doesn&#039;t it?Oh, and //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif, even assuming your hypothesis were correct for a moment.....all that establishes is the god of the deist.&nbsp; You still haven&#039;t established that this is the Christian/Jewish/Islamic personal god who takes an interest in the affairs of humans.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t establish the existence of an afterlife, or eternal punishment for those who &quot;sin&quot; and eternal happiness for those who do not.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t establish Jesus as his son, or any of the miracles supposedly performed by Jesus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="squeak9798, post: 6006359, member: 555320"] If the universe appears to operate on purely natural laws that do not require a supernatural agent, why presume there is one? You are playing "what if" guessing games. You are playing "what if" guessing games. What if there is an omnipotent, omniscient elephant living in the trunk of my car? You look, you don't see an elephant. But maybe that's the miracle....that it doesn't appear an elephant exists there at all, and yet it does? What if you just don't believe strong enough in this elephant, and thus you are too blind to see it? Prove to me that such an elephant does not live in my trunk. There is no logical or rational reason to presume that such an elephant exists.....but [I]what if[/I]? That is your argument in a nutshell. Seems rather silly when I word it like that, doesn't it? Oh, and [IMG]//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif[/IMG], even assuming your hypothesis were correct for a moment.....all that establishes is the god of the deist. You still haven't established that this is the Christian/Jewish/Islamic personal god who takes an interest in the affairs of humans. It doesn't establish the existence of an afterlife, or eternal punishment for those who "sin" and eternal happiness for those who do not. It doesn't establish Jesus as his son, or any of the miracles supposedly performed by Jesus. [/QUOTE]

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