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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 5830314" data-attributes="member: 549629">This is one of the reasons I dislike religion, it teches us that people are inherently bad, that we should hate each other if not for the divine intervention of God.People make bad choices? You see a man with a gun walking up behind&nbsp; woman, clearly intending to shoot her. You know that you could safely grab the gun from the armed man&#039;s hands, do you? If you do not, are you to blame for her death, at least partially? If your God has the power to remove the weapon from the hand, or better yet create a world in which that hand never wants to hold such a weapon, is he at least not partially to blame for the death? Yet you tell me he forgives us for our sins.He created this world, with all its tests and tribulations and flaws and pain... he created it, remember? Yet we are the ones to ask for his forgiveness for making choices we feel we must at the time. I ask why your god holds no responsibility for the evil of this world, and your reply is not to worry because he forgives us for all this evil. Circular logic that religions LOVE to use because there is no escape from it. If you have the faith to beliove in this circular logic, you are locked in.Did God make Eve eat the apple? Nope. But why in the world did he put the apple there in the first place? Why would he create a species with individul choices, and then lead them down a life of one test after another just to define themselves to their creator? Circular logic on the highest scale.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 5830314, member: 549629"] This is one of the reasons I dislike religion, it teches us that people are inherently bad, that we should hate each other if not for the divine intervention of God. People make bad choices? You see a man with a gun walking up behind woman, clearly intending to shoot her. You know that you could safely grab the gun from the armed man's hands, do you? If you do not, are you to blame for her death, at least partially? If your God has the power to remove the weapon from the hand, or better yet create a world in which that hand never wants to hold such a weapon, is he at least not partially to blame for the death? Yet you tell me he forgives us for our sins. He created this world, with all its tests and tribulations and flaws and pain... he created it, remember? Yet we are the ones to ask for his forgiveness for making choices we feel we must at the time. I ask why your god holds no responsibility for the evil of this world, and your reply is not to worry because he forgives us for all this evil. Circular logic that religions LOVE to use because there is no escape from it. If you have the faith to beliove in this circular logic, you are locked in. Did God make Eve eat the apple? Nope. But why in the world did he put the apple there in the first place? Why would he create a species with individul choices, and then lead them down a life of one test after another just to define themselves to their creator? Circular logic on the highest scale. [/QUOTE]

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