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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Proximity" data-source="post: 7930124" data-attributes="member: 589997">I don't think giving poor people the equivalent of $10-20k a year is equivalent to dumping hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars on them.and as for making sure there are plenty of living wage jobs, how would that be accomplished? Given the fact that jobs are outsourced because of the profit motive, what if government, which does not operate for-profit, created manufacturing jobs here in the US? Not making consumer good, but what about something like steel production or other comoddities?? I really don't know much about types of manufacturing, but I think it's something to think about.I guess it depends on what the charity is. Is the goal is to help the homeless, poor or unemployed, I say government. If it's Boys and girls Club, yeah, giving $10 to that charity would be more helpful than government for that specific purpose.Yeah, or Democrats just want to help people, because their policies will actually do that.I recognize I have an equally cynical view of the republican party, that they only give a shit about making the rich richer at whatever expense to the middle class and lie about their policies to get elected. However, I validate my view in that the policies republicans favor, the ones they say will somehow help the middle class get richer by taking from from them, are completely worthless at doing anything other than getting the rich richer. I think republicans are smart enough to realize this, but they do it anyway, hence my characterization of the republican party. I think the Democrats generally want to help people because I find, though research and finding facts for myself (note: I watch MSNBC after I developed my liberal views, not the other way around) that policies the Democrats favor will actually do what Democrats claim: help the poor and middle class, and strengthen the economy. So who is right? I guess it comes down to whose policy will actually help. I'm happy to have a debate about that, but shit like "ARG liberals are greedy and lazy andonly want handouts and gift!!" won't get us anywhere.What taxes does that include?And yeah, if you're only making $10,000 a year, then you SHOULDN'T pay any taxes. Not only is it morally correct and it increases that person's quality of life significantly, any tax money not paid or even refunded is a DIRECT stimulus to the economy. Because if yuu're making $10k a year, a $1000 refund check will get spent immediately and create jobs. Again, this goes back to the policies that democrats favor actually help people and the economy. I don't believe the same for the republican policies. Prove me wrong.If you're talking about the $10k per contract, then obviously you'd only get thos tax credits once a year, not each contract.Two issues:Let's pretend that there was only one company that made pizzas. But then we "taxed them too much" and they decided to "close up sh op" and "move to another country. Does that mean no one would ever eat a pizza again? No. Someone else would fill that void and likely get wealthy themselves.Wealthy people don't create a market, they respond to it. If a rih person just leaves the country because they're getting taxed to much (a concept I find false to begin with), then someone else will come in and fill the vooid in the market created.Second. if someone just cuts all their employees to part time, then those employees will likely not care about the business as much, not be as good employees and service will suffer, and then likely customer demand and revenues for that business owner will fall.This is the full picture that you're not looking at.More genius from 007. Yeah, beer and cigarettes. What else would anyone ever need? It amazing any strives to afford more than that anyway!</blockquote>

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