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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MisterDeadeye" data-source="post: 7925065" data-attributes="member: 611015">Again, circumstances are different for everyone. Poverty isn't the only issue here. Education needs reform. As does health care. You do not have the same opportunity as everyone else. Do you have the opportunity to buy out Coca-Cola? Of course not, because it's virtually impossible for you to make the money necessary. That is a fact. That is proof that not everyone has the same opportunity. By the way, congratulations for crawling out of poverty and becoming successful. However, you cannot say that it is all because of hard work. Because like I said, no amount of hard work would grant you the opportunity to buy Coca-Cola. Similarly, no amount of hard work for a large number of Americans will allow them to be even as successful as you or I. This is also fact.And like I touched on, there will be abusers of the system. This is obviously manageable, but until I decide to run for Congress(not happening), I am not going to take the time to figure out a way to manage the abuse. You can't just say that because there will be abuse that it could never work. It's (kind of)like saying we should get rid of the legal drinking age because children can obviously get beer. Or that we should get rid of houses because people can always break in. They all reduce to the fact that some people do bad things. As with ID checks, we can manage the monetary abuse. As with padlocks, we can manage monetary abuse.About taking someone's success, do you base success on the exact amount of money you have in your bank account, or on your assets and career? In my opinion, the answer is the latter, because the value of money is ever-changing, and even if you lose money, you're still in the same position as you were ten minutes ago(maybe you've stood up or turned around). But regardless, I never said to take any money you've already earned. As far as that's concerned, it's yours. What we need is a revamping of our social ideals, so that you do not mind giving up a bit of your monetary potential for someone else's success potential. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.And I do agree, the idea that we would have to take money from the wealthy isn't ideal, and you have the right to dislike it. If it was possible, many people would love for everyone to just be free to do what they want, however they want, with no regard to other human life. The problem is that this promotes greed, monopolies, and divisiveness. That's what's been happening. That's (partly) why so many are born into poverty (along with overpopulation and other things).Stop thinking about the idea as a handout, and more as a gift. Were you not grateful for the toys you received as a child? The only difference is that with this, it's the Government giving you gifts at Christmas instead of the family down the street. I mean, I don't understand how you can have been in a similar situation, yet you wholly disagree with the idea that some people need help. Let me put it this way. If your parent(s) had help from the government, what do you think would be different about your childhood, and your world-view as you went into the adult world? How would your parents' lives be different today?(or if you're older, how would their lives have been different as they were nearing retirement age?)Conversely, what do you suggest we do for the families I've described? What would you want for your family? Do you suggest we leave them to rot so that we can keep our money? Or do you suggest something else? I truly want to know.I'm sure you have compassion for those without opportunity, as you were in a similar state once. But what if you never got out? What if your parents had to move to a place where you weren't able to get an education? What if you turned 18 with nothing more than a third grade understanding of the world and no diploma? What if there were no jobs, and your parents could not help? Would you still feel that it's stupid to help those who need it, just because you do not need it? I understand your sentiment, by the way. You worked hard for your money, and you would hate to see it go. But would you hate it so much if that money helped the child equivalent of you turn into the adult equivalent of you?My point is, while you had the opportunity to make a choice, not everyone does. Where you had the choice to edicate yourself and become successful, several thousand other people had their fates sealed by crippling debt and no education. There are people right now with no chance of understanding Algebra or knowing what a checkbook even is. The amount of uneducated people in this country alone is staggering.Edit: Thank you for noticing the effort I put into my previous post. It took a while, especially on an iPhone.</blockquote>

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