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<blockquote data-quote="TheUnderFighter" data-source="post: 7534855" data-attributes="member: 631325"><p>They aren't AA batteries for your TV remote man, they're car batteries! haha. And yea, $200 seems to be a typical price, PM replied.</p><p></p><p>While AQ may have more power handling than some of the Sundowns, I wouldn't say they have better build quality, they are known for having spider issues; though, this could have been fixed with the newest series. Also, I've heard many people having trouble reaching AQ by phone, email, voicemail on numerous occasions. Sundown, I've never had to wait an hour for a reply.</p><p></p><p>B-stock is described in the link I posted. But it's subwoofers that are cosmetically flawed, yet are still mechanically 100% perfect. Subs that have been purchased, not used, and then returned. Or, subs that don't past their quality control for cosmetics. These are usually very <em>minor</em> flaws. for example, when I got mine, I had to look it over for a good bit, until I noticed a small little scuff on the surround, certainly well worth the $50 savings. You might even say these are promised to perform better than their regular stock, because they are put under yet another QC testing regimen to ensure they do perform 100% flawlessly.</p><p></p><p>Also, see if you can follow me with the amp and the upgrade logic I'm using.</p><p></p><p>Your wiring options for a <em>single</em> subwoofer with a Dual 4-ohm coil are 2 ohm, or 8 ohms.</p><p></p><p>Your wiring options for a <em>pair</em> of subwoofers with a Dual 4-ohm coil are 1-ohm, or 4-ohms.</p><p></p><p>Your wiring options for a <em>single</em> subwoofer with a Dual <em>2</em>-ohm coil, are 1-ohm, or 4-ohms.</p><p></p><p>Your wiring options for a <em>pair</em> of subwoofers with a Dual <em>2</em>-ohm coil are 2-ohm, or 8-ohms.</p><p></p><p>This all assuming you want to stay at 1-ohm or above.</p><p></p><p>Amplifiers make different power at different ohm loads, yes? For example this AQX-2500 <a href="http://www.audiopipe.com/products/amplifiers/aqx/aqx-2500.1.html" target="_blank">Amplifiers | AQX-2500.1</a> does 1150w @ 2-ohm, and 2500w @ 1-ohm.</p><p></p><p>So, if you were to get a Dual 4-ohm subwoofer right now, you could power it well at 2-ohms off that amp. Then, when you upgrade to an additional 15" sub, you can get another Dual 4-ohm subwoofer, wired together, they'd make a 1-ohm load for the amplifier, and now it's putting out 2500w. So you can upgrade the whole substage, without having to buy an amp. Spending a bit more money now, to save a lot more money in the long run. Plus, you get to save money by buying the b-stock D4 subs.</p><p></p><p>PHEW, that was a lot. I'ma go get laid now.</p><p></p><p>Another great and even more affordable but still equally comparable in power handling and quality to the SA series, is the Obsidian Audio 15", <a href="http://obsidiancaraudio.com/index.php?id=6." target="_blank">http://obsidiancaraudio.com/index.php?id=6.</a></p><p></p><p>It's actually a collaboration build with the founder from Sundown, quality stuff! A bit more of an SQ oriented driver, but still capable of awesome power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheUnderFighter, post: 7534855, member: 631325"] They aren't AA batteries for your TV remote man, they're car batteries! haha. And yea, $200 seems to be a typical price, PM replied. While AQ may have more power handling than some of the Sundowns, I wouldn't say they have better build quality, they are known for having spider issues; though, this could have been fixed with the newest series. Also, I've heard many people having trouble reaching AQ by phone, email, voicemail on numerous occasions. Sundown, I've never had to wait an hour for a reply. B-stock is described in the link I posted. But it's subwoofers that are cosmetically flawed, yet are still mechanically 100% perfect. Subs that have been purchased, not used, and then returned. Or, subs that don't past their quality control for cosmetics. These are usually very [I]minor[/I] flaws. for example, when I got mine, I had to look it over for a good bit, until I noticed a small little scuff on the surround, certainly well worth the $50 savings. You might even say these are promised to perform better than their regular stock, because they are put under yet another QC testing regimen to ensure they do perform 100% flawlessly. Also, see if you can follow me with the amp and the upgrade logic I'm using. Your wiring options for a [I]single[/I] subwoofer with a Dual 4-ohm coil are 2 ohm, or 8 ohms. Your wiring options for a [I]pair[/I] of subwoofers with a Dual 4-ohm coil are 1-ohm, or 4-ohms. Your wiring options for a [I]single[/I] subwoofer with a Dual [I]2[/I]-ohm coil, are 1-ohm, or 4-ohms. Your wiring options for a [I]pair[/I] of subwoofers with a Dual [I]2[/I]-ohm coil are 2-ohm, or 8-ohms. This all assuming you want to stay at 1-ohm or above. Amplifiers make different power at different ohm loads, yes? For example this AQX-2500 [URL="http://www.audiopipe.com/products/amplifiers/aqx/aqx-2500.1.html"]Amplifiers | AQX-2500.1[/URL] does 1150w @ 2-ohm, and 2500w @ 1-ohm. So, if you were to get a Dual 4-ohm subwoofer right now, you could power it well at 2-ohms off that amp. Then, when you upgrade to an additional 15" sub, you can get another Dual 4-ohm subwoofer, wired together, they'd make a 1-ohm load for the amplifier, and now it's putting out 2500w. So you can upgrade the whole substage, without having to buy an amp. Spending a bit more money now, to save a lot more money in the long run. Plus, you get to save money by buying the b-stock D4 subs. PHEW, that was a lot. I'ma go get laid now. Another great and even more affordable but still equally comparable in power handling and quality to the SA series, is the Obsidian Audio 15", [URL="http://obsidiancaraudio.com/index.php?id=6."]http://obsidiancaraudio.com/index.php?id=6.[/URL] It's actually a collaboration build with the founder from Sundown, quality stuff! A bit more of an SQ oriented driver, but still capable of awesome power. [/QUOTE]
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