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<blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 6986745" data-attributes="member: 549629">It is an absolute fact that the separation of church and state was a deliberate act, not &#039;liberal bullshit&#039; our educational system is forcing on our children. Your link does not deny that fact. You want me to read your link because you want to lure me into debating you on the merits of separation of church and state. Once again, an obvious attempt to divert the discussion away from the topic you were just shown to be incorrect about.&quot;I was also not aware that a letter to the Danbury Baptists from Thomas Jefferson automatically means that ALL of the &quot;founding fathers&quot; agreed that there should be a &quot;wall of separation&quot; between church and state.&quot;This logic is flawed on many levels. Let me point out a few: One, whether or not &quot;ALL&quot; of the founding fathers agreed is not the point.Second, your original point I discussed was that the separation of church and state was &#039;liberal bullshit&#039; our education system tells our kids to trick them. Whether or not &quot;ALL&quot; of the founding fathers, or merely &quot;some&quot; of them felt this way, is like arguing that the titanic sunk because of just one hole, not three. The point is it still sunk, just like your point that separation of church and state is just liberal propaganda.Third, nobody claimed &quot;ALL&quot; the founding fathers agreed on this point. Not even the link I provided, that YOU apparently didnt read fully. It clearly said &quot;several of the Founders of the United States&quot;.Lastly, your repeated attempts to veer the discussion away from the true topic (whether or not separation of church and state is merely liberal bullshit) and onto your new topic of whether or not its a valid stance, or how many founding fathers agreed to it, or what they actually meant to separate, only shows you know you were wrong on the original topic but are too afraid to admit it. Why is it so hard for you to say &quot;oops, I was wrong&quot;...? We all know you dont know everything, some might even say you dont know much... so you can stop worrying about your image as the local know-it-all.Let me know if you ever decide to discuss the actual topic I was talking about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="audioholic, post: 6986745, member: 549629"] It is an absolute fact that the separation of church and state was a deliberate act, not 'liberal bullshit' our educational system is forcing on our children. Your link does not deny that fact. You want me to read your link because you want to lure me into debating you on the merits of separation of church and state. Once again, an obvious attempt to divert the discussion away from the topic you were just shown to be incorrect about. [I]"I was also not aware that a letter to the Danbury Baptists from Thomas Jefferson automatically means that ALL of the "founding fathers" agreed that there should be a "wall of separation" between church and state."[/I] This logic is flawed on many levels. Let me point out a few: One, whether or not "ALL" of the founding fathers agreed is not the point. Second, your original point I discussed was that the separation of church and state was 'liberal bullshit' our education system tells our kids to trick them. Whether or not "ALL" of the founding fathers, or merely "some" of them felt this way, is like arguing that the titanic sunk because of just one hole, not three. The point is it still sunk, just like your point that separation of church and state is just liberal propaganda. Third, nobody claimed "ALL" the founding fathers agreed on this point. Not even the link I provided, that YOU apparently didnt read fully. It clearly said "several of the Founders of the United States". Lastly, your repeated attempts to veer the discussion away from the true topic (whether or not separation of church and state is merely liberal bullshit) and onto your new topic of whether or not its a valid stance, or how many founding fathers agreed to it, or what they actually meant to separate, only shows you know you were wrong on the original topic but are too afraid to admit it. Why is it so hard for you to say "oops, I was wrong"...? We all know you dont know everything, some might even say you dont know much... so you can stop worrying about your image as the local know-it-all. Let me know if you ever decide to discuss the actual topic I was talking about. [/QUOTE]

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