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Message: <blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 7664547" data-attributes="member: 549629">WTF are you talking about? When have I ever deleted 'evidence'? You've gone off the deep end now, bro. But since you want to make such a ridiculous and personal attack that I delete evidence, I will pull off the gloves here.You claim science is no better than religion on the basis of believing in in it due to faith. Science does not demand faith, it demands proof, it demands testing, it demands something be called a 'theory' until is IS proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Religion cannot make this claim. Far from it, it claims things that cannot be proven, it suggests no method to prove it, and relies simply on believing it because we are told to. Prove Adam and Eve. Prove the garden of Eden. Come even close to proving them as evolution has come. Where are fossils to prove the garden? There are fossils to claim creationism does not exist, so prove otherwise. You cant. All you can do is hope to claim religion holds the same intellectual ground as science because science cant prove absolutely everything you can imagine. The difference is, religion claims to prove nothing. No fossils, no scientists proving Jesus ascended to heaven as the holy ghost, no guy in a lab working with beakers and notes to prove Heaven. There is NOTHING to prove God or Heaven. But because science does not prove everything, to you it proves nothing.Science does not require faith, as you claim it does. If you dont believe scientific theories, science welcomes you to pose your own theory, and prove it with verifiable evidence and duplication of the results. Religion holds no open interpretation of its claims, it relies solely on faith. So you can claim all you want that religion is intellectually equivalent to science, but that's simply not true to anyone but the horribly biased.Go ahead, claim that creationism is in any way close to being as proven as evolution. Its not. No fossils in the ground to suggest adam ever existed, no carbon dating to suggest the bible's timeline is accurate, nothing. Not one single shred of evidence to suggest God Exists. The only thing you have to suggest God exists, is the holes where science has yet to fill in. As science continues to advance, religion will continue to recede. Fact. Religion, every day, feeds off the scraps science leaves at the table. Oh, science cant prove the big bang theory 100%, must be God instead. Oh, science hasn't found the missing link yet... must be God instead. Oh, science doesn't ahve all the answers proven, it must be intellectually equivalent to the theory (religion) that claims to have no need to prove anything.Again, religion has some footholds in this debate, but you fail to see any of them, and cling to ones it fails at to science. More evidence that religion, in general, is playing a desperate game of catch-up to science in terms of what can and cannot be proven.Lastly, since the gloves have come off, you rely on science every day, yet choose to ignore it when your faith sees fit. When you are sick, do you go to a doctor, or do you pray? Yes, to you God gave you doctors, God gave you medicine, gave you cures. You cant say why or how, you can only claim God did. Science says how. You go to a doctor because sense tells you its right, you ride an airplane because science has told you it will fly. Religion simply says that whatever science comes up with, religion will alter its claims to absorb into its own interpretation of the universe.I have no valid points? Where have you even touched on my claim that animals roamed the Earth long before 'man' did? Where have you even touched on the idea that creationism does not account for what we now know is a much larger universe than this Earth? Fossils? Carbon dating? Actually address a few of my points before you discredit them all as invalid.</blockquote>

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