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<blockquote data-quote="mat3833" data-source="post: 8752227" data-attributes="member: 587645"><p>While I definitely agree with most of what you said, I would like to point out 2 things. </p><p></p><p>1. I decided at the beginning of this project to do full coverage of whatever damper or blocking products I chose. My car is a 4 cyl turbo with a manual transmission and basically solid motor mounts. Vibration reduction and killing any rattles was my main goal. I didn't just treat doors. I did the whole interior of the car, including trim panels, dash panels, expanding foam inside the body cavities, whole shebang. If you are only doing front doors, Yea go get the best performing deadener on the market, it's going to be worth it. But for me, paying the premium for 300+ SQ feet wasn't worth the cost. I wasn't going to be selective so high efficiency wasn't needed, I was carpet bombing the car so I needed a good product that fit my budget for full coverage. If I had gone with second skin, resonix, or another top tier brand, I would have spent nearly $1500 on deadener alone, not even including the CCF and MLV. </p><p></p><p>2. Weight is almost the entire point of deadener. You are adding mass to a panel to make if resonate at a lower frequency and resonate less. Theoretically, you could glue a 1 inch cube of tungsten to each panel and have those panels resonate at a drastically lower frequency. If you are only doing 25 percent center panel coverage, you need as much mass and "dampening" from a product as possible to grt the best results. When you cover 100 percent, you can afford to have a less premium level product. </p><p></p><p>Deadener is only the first part of the process. There are 3 steps. Deaden(add mass), isolate(usually done with some type of foam, usually closed-cell foam), and block(mass-loaded vinyl). I chose to do 100 percent coverage of both deadener and CCF for my application. Mass loaded vinyl is a different beast all together and takes a bit of finesse to Install properly. My floor has mass loaded vinyl on it, but I haven't done doors or firewall yet. </p><p></p><p>For the record, I would have loved to spring for second skin damplifier pro and luxury liner pro. It is a phenomenal product, and I have used it in a few friends' installs. But I'm working on a set budget, and for the price I paid I'm more than happy with the results. I was able to accomplish what I wanted, and had more cash available for the rest of my install, including buying a router and a new jigsaw.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mat3833, post: 8752227, member: 587645"] While I definitely agree with most of what you said, I would like to point out 2 things. 1. I decided at the beginning of this project to do full coverage of whatever damper or blocking products I chose. My car is a 4 cyl turbo with a manual transmission and basically solid motor mounts. Vibration reduction and killing any rattles was my main goal. I didn't just treat doors. I did the whole interior of the car, including trim panels, dash panels, expanding foam inside the body cavities, whole shebang. If you are only doing front doors, Yea go get the best performing deadener on the market, it's going to be worth it. But for me, paying the premium for 300+ SQ feet wasn't worth the cost. I wasn't going to be selective so high efficiency wasn't needed, I was carpet bombing the car so I needed a good product that fit my budget for full coverage. If I had gone with second skin, resonix, or another top tier brand, I would have spent nearly $1500 on deadener alone, not even including the CCF and MLV. 2. Weight is almost the entire point of deadener. You are adding mass to a panel to make if resonate at a lower frequency and resonate less. Theoretically, you could glue a 1 inch cube of tungsten to each panel and have those panels resonate at a drastically lower frequency. If you are only doing 25 percent center panel coverage, you need as much mass and "dampening" from a product as possible to grt the best results. When you cover 100 percent, you can afford to have a less premium level product. Deadener is only the first part of the process. There are 3 steps. Deaden(add mass), isolate(usually done with some type of foam, usually closed-cell foam), and block(mass-loaded vinyl). I chose to do 100 percent coverage of both deadener and CCF for my application. Mass loaded vinyl is a different beast all together and takes a bit of finesse to Install properly. My floor has mass loaded vinyl on it, but I haven't done doors or firewall yet. For the record, I would have loved to spring for second skin damplifier pro and luxury liner pro. It is a phenomenal product, and I have used it in a few friends' installs. But I'm working on a set budget, and for the price I paid I'm more than happy with the results. I was able to accomplish what I wanted, and had more cash available for the rest of my install, including buying a router and a new jigsaw. [/QUOTE]
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