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Message: <blockquote data-quote="audioholic" data-source="post: 6774168" data-attributes="member: 549629">The nine.X series of amps seem to be good products based on what Ive read and people Ive spoke to. Not surprising their best quality product is farmed out and made by someone else.He's referring to Ben Milne. Ben's first brush with bad press was when the 'sound deadener showdown' was released on the web. eDead (v1) was advertised with heavy implications it was butyl rubber based ("made from rubberized compounds") in a time when butyl rubber based mats were just hitting the market. Ben/eD's mat was priced somewhere between the cheaper asphalt based mat, and the more expensive butyl rubber mats, leading you to believe it was not simply the out dated asphalt mat but instead butyl based that they were simply selling for cheap. The Sound Deadener Showdown was released, and its testing clearly showed eDead was simple asphalt based mat. Ben sold his average-level asphalt mat at a higher price than other asphalt mats on the market, while advertising it as made of 'rubberized compounds' which uses the fact that all asphalt based mats have some rubberized compounds in them (as a binding agent) as a tool to fool potential customers into believing his mat was the superior butyl based product. Ben/eD was clearly walking the tightrope between legal 'creative advertising/hype' and illegal false advertising.That one story alone warrants Ryan calling Ben a tool/liar/cheat/weasel/thief/whatever. But there's plenty more examples. Look at this website for a sec:<a href="http://audiojunkies.com/blog/305/jl-audio-contacts-elemental-designs-over-patent-infringement-concerns" target="_blank">JL Audio Contacts Elemental Designs Over Patent Infringement Concerns [audiojunkies]</a>That page is dedicated to eD/Ben's attempt to illegal steal patented technology from the JL W7 subwoofer and incorporate that tech into their 'W7 killer' subwoofer, the 13av2. eD actually advertised the sub as their new "W7 killer". So he deliberately called out JL and their W7 series woofer directly, while knowing in his mind that his sub had tech in it he/his company had reverse engineered from a JL W7. Balls + stupidity. JL's lawyers informed eD of their intention of taking legal action, and Ben was forced to change his subwoofer.Then there's the flat-cone problem. It was the 15" version of the a series iirc. The vast majority of them had cone failure (like above 80%), it was found to be a design flaw, and yet eD claimed they were all 'user errors' on the failed drivers, and gave no refunds, did not recone/fix the sold and failed products, and iirc didnt even send back the broken drivers customers had sent in for repair/warranty.There's also the many accounts of eD's eDead, in various versions, falling off when it shouldn't have. There's the situation where eD was caught stealing a speaker design from Tang Band, there's the eu-700 speaker terminal mounting position... and... uhm. I know Im forgetting some of the stories, is that enough to convince you Ben and his company are crooks and incompetents? He's been caught lying to customers, stealing from competitors, and building poorly designed products (like the eu-700). The trifecta of scamming. Ben's the grifter of car audio, the dumb one who keeps getting caught.I for one am glad eD is leaving the 12v realm and moving on to HT. Let those HT guys deal with them. I wonder which HT company's subwoofer design Ben is eyeballing for his new 'break out' HT product.</blockquote>

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