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<blockquote data-quote="Rudy" data-source="post: 4215397" data-attributes="member: 568035"><p>The tests are $600 for each sample, so I'm not going pay to have it done. Some reputable manufacturers have had them done but won't release the results because disreputable manufacturers have published phony results - being honest would put them at a competitive disadvantage.</p><p></p><p>Even then, the results aren't as useful as they seem. Different frequency/temperature/substrate combinations are going to react very differently. For general purpose use, it would be very difficult to extrapolate best from the test results. They are really useful when comparing a specific product in a specific application. You also need to account for differences in mass and cost. I used to thin these test were critical too, until I started talking to the labs that do them.</p><p></p><p>Several people, including me and others much more qualified than I, have tried to design a DIY test system like you are describing. It is MUCH more complicated than it appears at first glance. Start with finding a way to completely isolate the front and back of the test material while still being able to generate enough energy to excite the substrate/deadener sandwich and take accurate readings. You really need to use an accelerometer instead of an SPL meter.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, it is possible to extrapolate performance from the factors that contribute to reliability and all of the science that has gone into this area. The CLVED research is particularly illustrative.</p><p></p><p>Then again, before you start looking at 2 layers of eDead vs other products, ask yourself if you really want to buy deadener from a company that sold Peel &amp; Seal as sound deadener, blamed the customers when it fell off, had an owner that outright lied about the asphalt being butyl, switched to butyl when customer outrage forced it to and did no testing of the new material so that one of the grades peels itself off sheet metal? To me that is just as important as any other question. I prefer to give my hard earned money to people who are pushing the state of the art and will stand behind what they sell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rudy, post: 4215397, member: 568035"] The tests are $600 for each sample, so I'm not going pay to have it done. Some reputable manufacturers have had them done but won't release the results because disreputable manufacturers have published phony results - being honest would put them at a competitive disadvantage. Even then, the results aren't as useful as they seem. Different frequency/temperature/substrate combinations are going to react very differently. For general purpose use, it would be very difficult to extrapolate best from the test results. They are really useful when comparing a specific product in a specific application. You also need to account for differences in mass and cost. I used to thin these test were critical too, until I started talking to the labs that do them. Several people, including me and others much more qualified than I, have tried to design a DIY test system like you are describing. It is MUCH more complicated than it appears at first glance. Start with finding a way to completely isolate the front and back of the test material while still being able to generate enough energy to excite the substrate/deadener sandwich and take accurate readings. You really need to use an accelerometer instead of an SPL meter. Fortunately, it is possible to extrapolate performance from the factors that contribute to reliability and all of the science that has gone into this area. The CLVED research is particularly illustrative. Then again, before you start looking at 2 layers of eDead vs other products, ask yourself if you really want to buy deadener from a company that sold Peel & Seal as sound deadener, blamed the customers when it fell off, had an owner that outright lied about the asphalt being butyl, switched to butyl when customer outrage forced it to and did no testing of the new material so that one of the grades peels itself off sheet metal? To me that is just as important as any other question. I prefer to give my hard earned money to people who are pushing the state of the art and will stand behind what they sell. [/QUOTE]
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