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<blockquote data-quote="JLCivic" data-source="post: 204296" data-attributes="member: 547424">Sound quality wise, take Eclipse.&nbsp; Features wise, take Pioneer.&nbsp; I have used pioneer, kenwood and alpine before going to Eclipse, and my last eclipse was the cd8051(sold it and am now suffering with an entry level clarion until my new eclipse comes in).&nbsp; The cd8051 is an excellent sounding deck.&nbsp; It plays cdrs, but it is not listed as being able to play cdrws(with the price of cdrs, who cares?).&nbsp; It MIGHT play cdrws, but I never tried it.&nbsp; &nbsp; It has NO internal amplifier which may or may not be an issue for you.&nbsp; It was virtually bomb proof when it came to skipping(i call skipping maybe 3-4 times in 16 months as virtually bomb proof..and I had no problems with the deck).&nbsp; How much is the is the cd8051?&nbsp; Their new decks are out, and the prices are VERY nice.&nbsp; You asked which will sound better, take Eclipse.&nbsp; Good luck with whatever you buy.&nbsp; You can see the 2003 eclipse decks on their website&nbsp; <a href="http://www.eclipse-web.com" target="_blank">http://www.eclipse-web.com</a>the 5423 is $2895433 is $3498433 is $4198053 is $549&nbsp;&nbsp; just to give you a frame of reference on the pricing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JLCivic, post: 204296, member: 547424"] Sound quality wise, take Eclipse. Features wise, take Pioneer. I have used pioneer, kenwood and alpine before going to Eclipse, and my last eclipse was the cd8051(sold it and am now suffering with an entry level clarion until my new eclipse comes in). The cd8051 is an excellent sounding deck. It plays cdrs, but it is not listed as being able to play cdrws(with the price of cdrs, who cares?). It MIGHT play cdrws, but I never tried it. It has NO internal amplifier which may or may not be an issue for you. It was virtually bomb proof when it came to skipping(i call skipping maybe 3-4 times in 16 months as virtually bomb proof..and I had no problems with the deck). How much is the is the cd8051? Their new decks are out, and the prices are VERY nice. You asked which will sound better, take Eclipse. Good luck with whatever you buy. You can see the 2003 eclipse decks on their website [URL="http://www.eclipse-web.com"]http://www.eclipse-web.com[/URL] the 5423 is $289 5433 is $349 8433 is $419 8053 is $549 just to give you a frame of reference on the pricing. [/QUOTE]

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