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<blockquote data-quote="anwaypasible" data-source="post: 7108807" data-attributes="member: 627657"><p>i really want some bass up front.. i have had systems in the past with 2-way components up front and back, with the subwoofer picking up all that the components couldnt.</p><p></p><p>but this time around i really wanna try going with 3-way crossovers in the front and back (or at least the front)</p><p></p><p>my front doors can fit 6.5 inch speakers.. and i dont know how deep i can go, but i know the tang band 6.5 inch subwoofer isnt gonna fit the depth requirements.</p><p></p><p>so i was thinking about getting some 6.5 inch MDF rings and stacking them on top of eachother (or custom order some 2-3 inches thick)</p><p></p><p>that will give me enough clearance in the door so the back of the speaker doesnt hit the window as it goes up and down.</p><p></p><p>i'm not going to bother building a box for the doors.</p><p></p><p>i just wanna use the door as it is for a box.. and that means i cant run a regular midrange in the same air space as the woofer.</p><p></p><p>should i get a 5.25 inch sealed midrange and cut a hole in the door wherever there is enough room ... or should i get some small dome midranges that will fit virtually anywhere on the door.</p><p></p><p>i've read that dome midranges have excellent off-axis response.. but i am worried that they wont fill the interior with acoustic output.</p><p></p><p>my foot area is already sorta cramped.. therefore i dont wanna build some kick panels and reduce foot room even further.</p><p></p><p>this limits my selection of midranges tremendously.</p><p></p><p>i was gonna go with some audiophile midranges.. but that company doesnt make sealed back midranges.</p><p></p><p>i have to really choose whether i want audiophile sound quality from the speakers .. or do i want to try and positively fulfill the entire frequency spectrum without any serious gaps between octaves.</p><p></p><p>and i think i am gonna fill the frequency spectrum instead.. then calibrate the EQ with my calibrated microphone.</p><p></p><p>woofers:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&amp;DID=7&amp;Partnumber=264-832&amp;ctab=2#Tabs" target="_blank">Tang Band W6-1139SI 6-1/2" Subwoofer | Parts-Express.com</a></p><p></p><p>midranges:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=292-200" target="_blank">Pyle Pro PDMR5 5-1/4" Sealed Back Midrange | Parts-Express.com</a></p><p></p><p>tweeters:</p><p></p><p>i dunno yet.. probably something vifa</p><p></p><p>the woofers have a frequency response of 38-800 Hz</p><p></p><p>the midranges have a frequency response of 450-7,000 Hz</p><p></p><p>crossover points 600 hz / 3700 hz (cerwin vega crossovers on ebay)</p><p></p><p>i'm thinking that if i crossover the midranges at 3700 hz .. there will be enough 'extra' in the voice coil to make the speakers sound better than stock .. but probably not as good as the audiophile midranges i was gonna get (peerless HDS/nomex series)</p><p></p><p>having the ability to go as high as 7,000 hz .. reserving the speaker should allow the voice coil to produce everything else with a little bit more detail since there is less strain on the speaker overall.</p><p></p><p>i dont know how well the midrange works .. i have never worked with them before.</p><p></p><p>i'm also hoping that the tang band woofer will do alright since i am cutting it off at 600hz instead of going all the way up to 800 hz</p><p></p><p>there are some subwoofers in my 3-way setup of my house.. they say that the woofer can go well up into the midrange (+1,000 hz) and i really enjoy the results.</p><p></p><p>so i am gonna try it again.</p><p></p><p>besides, the frequency response generally goes much lower than midrange speakers.</p><p></p><p>with the 13mm of xmax that those tang bands put out.. that should be plenty to get the bass output i want from them.</p><p></p><p>i plan on giving them a high pass crossover with the radio.. 50hz with a 6dB slope (i'll try 12dB slope to see which one is better)</p><p></p><p>does anybody know if a dome midrange will sound dull and lifeless .. giving much less than what a 5.25 inch woofer would ??</p><p></p><p>i really wanna fill my cabin with sound and i have some doubts that a dome midrange will fill the cabin.</p><p></p><p>i dont have an amp yet either.. but it will probably be 100 watts @ 4 ohms</p><p></p><p>i'm looking for something with low THD +noise</p><p></p><p>something like 0.09 or lower.</p><p></p><p>my house receiver has 0.09% in stereo mode and 0.7% in surround sound mode.</p><p></p><p>i can really tell the difference in the noise floor.. even with computer fans and a box fan going.</p><p></p><p>it sounds like there is a blanket laying on top of the entire output.. which is the lack of noise floor.</p><p></p><p>i'm only gonna spend like $150 - $200 on the amp.. so if i have to hunt down a used one i will.</p><p></p><p>my subwoofer is a jl audio 12w7 in a sealed box custom fabricated to meet required specs as suggested by the manufacturer.</p><p></p><p>the box also has an internal spider-brace to break up the standing soundwaves.</p><p></p><p>i need an amp for the subwoofer too.</p><p></p><p>and i'm only willing to spend as much as $250 on that amp .. and only if the specs are really really good.</p><p></p><p>i'll sit around and hunt down a used one if i have to.</p><p></p><p>my deck is a pioneer deh-7800mp with 5v pre-outs .. 16 band equalizer .. custom programmable time alignment .. built-in high pass and low-pass crossovers .. and burr brown DACs</p><p></p><p>i really want to know about the differences between dome midranges and cone midranges (how they sound inside the car).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="anwaypasible, post: 7108807, member: 627657"] i really want some bass up front.. i have had systems in the past with 2-way components up front and back, with the subwoofer picking up all that the components couldnt. but this time around i really wanna try going with 3-way crossovers in the front and back (or at least the front) my front doors can fit 6.5 inch speakers.. and i dont know how deep i can go, but i know the tang band 6.5 inch subwoofer isnt gonna fit the depth requirements. so i was thinking about getting some 6.5 inch MDF rings and stacking them on top of eachother (or custom order some 2-3 inches thick) that will give me enough clearance in the door so the back of the speaker doesnt hit the window as it goes up and down. i'm not going to bother building a box for the doors. i just wanna use the door as it is for a box.. and that means i cant run a regular midrange in the same air space as the woofer. should i get a 5.25 inch sealed midrange and cut a hole in the door wherever there is enough room ... or should i get some small dome midranges that will fit virtually anywhere on the door. i've read that dome midranges have excellent off-axis response.. but i am worried that they wont fill the interior with acoustic output. my foot area is already sorta cramped.. therefore i dont wanna build some kick panels and reduce foot room even further. this limits my selection of midranges tremendously. i was gonna go with some audiophile midranges.. but that company doesnt make sealed back midranges. i have to really choose whether i want audiophile sound quality from the speakers .. or do i want to try and positively fulfill the entire frequency spectrum without any serious gaps between octaves. and i think i am gonna fill the frequency spectrum instead.. then calibrate the EQ with my calibrated microphone. woofers: [URL="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-832&ctab=2#Tabs"]Tang Band W6-1139SI 6-1/2" Subwoofer | Parts-Express.com[/URL] midranges: [URL="http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=292-200"]Pyle Pro PDMR5 5-1/4" Sealed Back Midrange | Parts-Express.com[/URL] tweeters: i dunno yet.. probably something vifa the woofers have a frequency response of 38-800 Hz the midranges have a frequency response of 450-7,000 Hz crossover points 600 hz / 3700 hz (cerwin vega crossovers on ebay) i'm thinking that if i crossover the midranges at 3700 hz .. there will be enough 'extra' in the voice coil to make the speakers sound better than stock .. but probably not as good as the audiophile midranges i was gonna get (peerless HDS/nomex series) having the ability to go as high as 7,000 hz .. reserving the speaker should allow the voice coil to produce everything else with a little bit more detail since there is less strain on the speaker overall. i dont know how well the midrange works .. i have never worked with them before. i'm also hoping that the tang band woofer will do alright since i am cutting it off at 600hz instead of going all the way up to 800 hz there are some subwoofers in my 3-way setup of my house.. they say that the woofer can go well up into the midrange (+1,000 hz) and i really enjoy the results. so i am gonna try it again. besides, the frequency response generally goes much lower than midrange speakers. with the 13mm of xmax that those tang bands put out.. that should be plenty to get the bass output i want from them. i plan on giving them a high pass crossover with the radio.. 50hz with a 6dB slope (i'll try 12dB slope to see which one is better) does anybody know if a dome midrange will sound dull and lifeless .. giving much less than what a 5.25 inch woofer would ?? i really wanna fill my cabin with sound and i have some doubts that a dome midrange will fill the cabin. i dont have an amp yet either.. but it will probably be 100 watts @ 4 ohms i'm looking for something with low THD +noise something like 0.09 or lower. my house receiver has 0.09% in stereo mode and 0.7% in surround sound mode. i can really tell the difference in the noise floor.. even with computer fans and a box fan going. it sounds like there is a blanket laying on top of the entire output.. which is the lack of noise floor. i'm only gonna spend like $150 - $200 on the amp.. so if i have to hunt down a used one i will. my subwoofer is a jl audio 12w7 in a sealed box custom fabricated to meet required specs as suggested by the manufacturer. the box also has an internal spider-brace to break up the standing soundwaves. i need an amp for the subwoofer too. and i'm only willing to spend as much as $250 on that amp .. and only if the specs are really really good. i'll sit around and hunt down a used one if i have to. my deck is a pioneer deh-7800mp with 5v pre-outs .. 16 band equalizer .. custom programmable time alignment .. built-in high pass and low-pass crossovers .. and burr brown DACs i really want to know about the differences between dome midranges and cone midranges (how they sound inside the car). 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