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<blockquote data-quote="RobGMN" data-source="post: 8884776" data-attributes="member: 683408">If we want to make products that a$7/hr worker can afford, we sure do.For prosperity to exist, someone ALWAYS has to suffer, otherwise everything is just a draw. I work 40 hours to produce food, you work 40 hours to make consumer goods. You need my food, I need your consumer goods.We trade, and break even. No prosperity.The prosperity comes when I can produce the food faster and cheaper than you produce your goods. We still have an even trade, but I prosper with free time that you don&#039;t get. So you suffer.When things are finite, someone&#039;s &quot;more&quot; is always going to be someone&#039;s &quot;less&quot;. That will never change.Not enough for the quantity we need with the growing seasons we have.You gave your fantasy plan, I gave mine. Which one is more achievable, and which one benefits Joe and Jane Citizen more?So your plan is NOT the plan that you shared? Did the frog in your pocket write it for you?Pretty disingenuous to post that if it&#039;s not real.So us getting cheap goods from China because they pay their workers a lot less than our workers could EVER survive on, is &quot;dry ******* us in the ***&quot;? Seems that WE are the ones winning in that game.We get cheap goods, and we get to continue underpaying our workers.The cycle can continue because populations will always grow, and we will always want the most for the least.OK. Then my plan to pay people here a living wage and then in-shore all manufacturing is perfectly reasonable.We don&#039;t get to dictate law in other countries, unless you become the supreme leader of the world, like in your &quot;take care of America&quot; plan.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RobGMN, post: 8884776, member: 683408"] If we want to make products that a$7/hr worker can afford, we sure do. For prosperity to exist, someone ALWAYS has to suffer, otherwise everything is just a draw. I work 40 hours to produce food, you work 40 hours to make consumer goods. You need my food, I need your consumer goods. We trade, and break even. No prosperity. The prosperity comes when I can produce the food faster and cheaper than you produce your goods. We still have an even trade, but I prosper with free time that you don't get. So you suffer. When things are finite, someone's "more" is always going to be someone's "less". That will never change. Not enough for the quantity we need with the growing seasons we have. You gave your fantasy plan, I gave mine. Which one is more achievable, and which one benefits Joe and Jane Citizen more? So your plan is NOT the plan that you shared? Did the frog in your pocket write it for you? Pretty disingenuous to post that if it's not real. So us getting cheap goods from China because they pay their workers a lot less than our workers could EVER survive on, is "dry ******* us in the ***"? Seems that WE are the ones winning in that game. We get cheap goods, and we get to continue underpaying our workers. The cycle can continue because populations will always grow, and we will always want the most for the least. OK. Then my plan to pay people here a living wage and then in-shore all manufacturing is perfectly reasonable. We don't get to dictate law in other countries, unless you become the supreme leader of the world, like in your "take care of America" plan. [/QUOTE]

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