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<blockquote data-quote="Jimi77" data-source="post: 8884454" data-attributes="member: 673702">Manufacturing jobs increased under Trump, unless you&#039;re disingenuous and going to count the job losses from Covid against Trump.[ATTACH=full]61634[/ATTACH]Again you/they are being disingenuous.&nbsp; One, they&#039;re counting the decline in exports due to Covid against Trump.&nbsp; Exports from 2016-2019 were up 13%.&nbsp; The huge spike in Biden&#039;s exports is due to bouncing out of Covid.&nbsp; Exports from 2021-2023 were up ~15%; given that it looks like exports will be down from 2023 to 2024, Trump and Biden tied in this category.&nbsp; FYI, imports were down 6% in 2023 and looks like they&#039;ll be down another 5% in 2024.&nbsp; I wonder if that has anything to do with those Trump tariffs and Biden&#039;s willingness to stick with them? You should know better than to trust media sources that have proven time and time again that they are willing to twist, distort, mislead and outright lie to fit the narrative.&nbsp; Don&#039;t believe the narrative, believe the facts.&nbsp; You have to double check everything that comes out of the media propaganda machine.&nbsp; Unless you just want to believe what you want to believe.&nbsp; In that case just go with the narrative.&nbsp; Goods imported and exported tables from<a href="https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/index.html" target="_blank"> census.gov</a>[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/SAIMP.pdf[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/SAEXP.pdf[/URL]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jimi77, post: 8884454, member: 673702"] Manufacturing jobs increased under Trump, unless you're disingenuous and going to count the job losses from Covid against Trump. [ATTACH type="full" alt="umbers_CES3000000001_2014_2024_all_period_M10_data.gif"]61634[/ATTACH] Again you/they are being disingenuous. One, they're counting the decline in exports due to Covid against Trump. Exports from 2016-2019 were up 13%. The huge spike in Biden's exports is due to bouncing out of Covid. Exports from 2021-2023 were up ~15%; given that it looks like exports will be down from 2023 to 2024, Trump and Biden tied in this category. FYI, imports were down 6% in 2023 and looks like they'll be down another 5% in 2024. I wonder if that has anything to do with those Trump tariffs and Biden's willingness to stick with them? You should know better than to trust media sources that have proven time and time again that they are willing to twist, distort, mislead and outright lie to fit the narrative. Don't believe the narrative, believe the facts. You have to double check everything that comes out of the media propaganda machine. Unless you just want to believe what you want to believe. In that case just go with the narrative. Goods imported and exported tables from[URL='https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/index.html'] census.gov[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/SAIMP.pdf[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/statistics/historical/SAEXP.pdf[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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