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<blockquote data-quote="RobGMN" data-source="post: 8884368" data-attributes="member: 683408">Spokey made it very clear that the consensus of the world&#039;s economists was wrong, and that they are simply pundits repeating a party line (or something like that).To be able to declare that, the person declaring it is saying they know better than everyone else.No different from the anti-vaxxers who barely made it through high-school, but &quot;did their own research&quot; and know better than anyone else about how vaccines work.I don&#039;t disagree that it would be nice to swap things around and make us even stronger as the strongest economy in the world, but if the only way we can do it is by preventing world commerce, then we may have a bigger problem.But to speak of the success of tariffs: If they worked so well, why did mfg jobs in the US decline under Trump? Why did our overall &quot;contribution&quot; to the government on goods purchases go up?Why did the government have to up the subsidies to our farmers by an addition $31 billion?Why did he back down on tariffs when Canada hit us with dollar-for-dollar matching tariffs?Which country, that we imposed tariffs on, created an anti-exit force to keep people inside their borders?Which country, that we imposed tariffs on, stopped the illegal drug exports to the US?Based on what has already happened in the past:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">We estimate the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs.</li>
</ul>Where is the win?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RobGMN, post: 8884368, member: 683408"] Spokey made it very clear that the consensus of the world's economists was wrong, and that they are simply pundits repeating a party line (or something like that). To be able to declare that, the person declaring it is saying they know better than everyone else. No different from the anti-vaxxers who barely made it through high-school, but "did their own research" and know better than anyone else about how vaccines work. I don't disagree that it would be nice to swap things around and make us even stronger as the strongest economy in the world, but if the only way we can do it is by preventing world commerce, then we may have a bigger problem. But to speak of the success of tariffs: If they worked so well, why did mfg jobs in the US decline under Trump? Why did our overall "contribution" to the government on goods purchases go up? Why did the government have to up the subsidies to our farmers by an addition $31 billion? Why did he back down on tariffs when Canada hit us with dollar-for-dollar matching tariffs? Which country, that we imposed tariffs on, created an anti-exit force to keep people inside their borders? Which country, that we imposed tariffs on, stopped the illegal drug exports to the US? Based on what has already happened in the past: [LIST] [*]We[B][U] estimate [/U][/B]the Trump-Biden tariffs will reduce long-run GDP by 0.2 percent, the capital stock by 0.1 percent, and employment by 142,000 full-time equivalent jobs. [/LIST] Where is the win? [/QUOTE]

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