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<blockquote data-quote="hispls" data-source="post: 8754606" data-attributes="member: 614752"><p>Got any evidence to support this claim? Can any of this be quantified? For example, how do we know precisely how much power your woofer can handle before failing before and after you perform the proper rituals? Exactly what method must be used for "break in" and for how long? </p><p></p><p>Please cite where I said this. Mostly I'm just asking for evidence to support any of these rather wild claims about "break in" in regards to loudspeakers. </p><p></p><p>So in your line of work, do those products only work to spec after some initial half-duty operation or do they work as soon as they're installed and then gradually atrophy until they are no longer fit for use? Do you have any data that you must measure to see if things are still performing as they should or are parts replaced/repaired only after they obviously/visibly fail or show stress?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to argue with you either. You just left out way too many details for any sort of accurate guess. Again, knowing nothing else I can safely say if you take your current equipment right now and change your vehicle into a wall build you could lose or you could gain huge. Even if we assume everything optimized pre and post wall this still may vary depending on the vehicle; for example CRX is so good acoustically for no-wall you might even lose on the meter trying to wall, if you have a huge cargo van you almost couldn't help but gain simply for reducing the cabin area you need to pressurize. The more specifics you added the closer we could collectively hazard a guess as to how much you would stand to gain.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Share please. Did you chastise him telling him you didn't ask about that and that TS parameters don't matter?</p><p>Either way, I'm certainly not arguing that these changes happen and I've already offered to share measured TS parameters I have measured myself which are likely consistent with DD's claim. </p><p>My points are that these changes will happen much more quickly than "break in" proponents would have us believe and will almost certainly be inaudible. I have yet to see anybody in the lanes put in fresh subs and then consistently gain throughout the season while changing nothing else solely do to softparts stretching out. </p><p>I also do not believe for a minute that there is some proper method to initially soften up a spider that will make it perform any different than any other. Again, you can confirm this by getting a very stiff spider and just working it in your hands and feel it soften up a bit within a few minutes. Now consider how many times you can flex it in a minute vs 25 times per second letting your amp do the work once installed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Current top 4 on the Termlab leaderboard are all the same team out of Russia running Deaf Bonce, Sundown and Crossfire subs. I'm sure once Dante "breaks in" those DDs a little more he'll gain up a full deeb though and blow those guys out of the water. </p><p></p><p>Guys using DD subs doing well in the lanes is not evidence or data to support break in lore. Do Sundown, DB, or Crossfire subs require "break in"? Do you really imagine the materials they use are all that different than anything else on the market in that tier? </p><p></p><p>Still waiting on some evidence to support some process other than normal use is required, that the most dramatic changes won't happen within minutes, and that any of this will be audible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hispls, post: 8754606, member: 614752"] Got any evidence to support this claim? Can any of this be quantified? For example, how do we know precisely how much power your woofer can handle before failing before and after you perform the proper rituals? Exactly what method must be used for "break in" and for how long? Please cite where I said this. Mostly I'm just asking for evidence to support any of these rather wild claims about "break in" in regards to loudspeakers. So in your line of work, do those products only work to spec after some initial half-duty operation or do they work as soon as they're installed and then gradually atrophy until they are no longer fit for use? Do you have any data that you must measure to see if things are still performing as they should or are parts replaced/repaired only after they obviously/visibly fail or show stress? I'm not trying to argue with you either. You just left out way too many details for any sort of accurate guess. Again, knowing nothing else I can safely say if you take your current equipment right now and change your vehicle into a wall build you could lose or you could gain huge. Even if we assume everything optimized pre and post wall this still may vary depending on the vehicle; for example CRX is so good acoustically for no-wall you might even lose on the meter trying to wall, if you have a huge cargo van you almost couldn't help but gain simply for reducing the cabin area you need to pressurize. The more specifics you added the closer we could collectively hazard a guess as to how much you would stand to gain. Share please. Did you chastise him telling him you didn't ask about that and that TS parameters don't matter? Either way, I'm certainly not arguing that these changes happen and I've already offered to share measured TS parameters I have measured myself which are likely consistent with DD's claim. My points are that these changes will happen much more quickly than "break in" proponents would have us believe and will almost certainly be inaudible. I have yet to see anybody in the lanes put in fresh subs and then consistently gain throughout the season while changing nothing else solely do to softparts stretching out. I also do not believe for a minute that there is some proper method to initially soften up a spider that will make it perform any different than any other. Again, you can confirm this by getting a very stiff spider and just working it in your hands and feel it soften up a bit within a few minutes. Now consider how many times you can flex it in a minute vs 25 times per second letting your amp do the work once installed. Current top 4 on the Termlab leaderboard are all the same team out of Russia running Deaf Bonce, Sundown and Crossfire subs. I'm sure once Dante "breaks in" those DDs a little more he'll gain up a full deeb though and blow those guys out of the water. Guys using DD subs doing well in the lanes is not evidence or data to support break in lore. Do Sundown, DB, or Crossfire subs require "break in"? Do you really imagine the materials they use are all that different than anything else on the market in that tier? Still waiting on some evidence to support some process other than normal use is required, that the most dramatic changes won't happen within minutes, and that any of this will be audible. [/QUOTE]
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