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<blockquote data-quote="bdmcleod" data-source="post: 2842857" data-attributes="member: 575564"><p>This is getting to be an angry thread... Wait, too late.</p><p></p><p>Just throwing in my .02 cents on juicing. Before i joined the marines i was prepping to enter a competition. I took some questionable. stuff that worked better than anything i could imagine. Way better. Strength jumped, muscle size REALLY jumped, and vascularity jumped too. Anyway i got off it to pass a piss test and it was like someone popped a bubble in me, literally. My arms shrunk from 18 in. around to 16 in a month. I start shedding muscle like it was going out of style. Now i have abnormally high cholesterol. And a low metabolism to fight with.</p><p></p><p>I don't fault anyone for taking juice. Its a way to take themselves to the next level. Because at some point, with natural training, you hit a wall. (I doubt anyone reading this has that issue)</p><p></p><p>And just out of curiousity.. When people say taking steroids is cheating.. I ask them where they draw the line? What makes steroids cheating and creatine okay? What the federal gov thinks? How do you determine what supplements are okay, and which one's arent?</p><p></p><p>By how well they work?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bdmcleod, post: 2842857, member: 575564"] This is getting to be an angry thread... Wait, too late. Just throwing in my .02 cents on juicing. Before i joined the marines i was prepping to enter a competition. I took some questionable. stuff that worked better than anything i could imagine. Way better. Strength jumped, muscle size REALLY jumped, and vascularity jumped too. Anyway i got off it to pass a piss test and it was like someone popped a bubble in me, literally. My arms shrunk from 18 in. around to 16 in a month. I start shedding muscle like it was going out of style. Now i have abnormally high cholesterol. And a low metabolism to fight with. I don't fault anyone for taking juice. Its a way to take themselves to the next level. Because at some point, with natural training, you hit a wall. (I doubt anyone reading this has that issue) And just out of curiousity.. When people say taking steroids is cheating.. I ask them where they draw the line? What makes steroids cheating and creatine okay? What the federal gov thinks? How do you determine what supplements are okay, and which one's arent? By how well they work? [/QUOTE]
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